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Calum:
yeah, careful zooloo, don't say anything about those lovely americans! :D :D :D
still, i think comments about being a religious nutter are valid opinions (however not opinions i actually hold), considering this whole palaver is definitely heavily influenced by the whole christian vs muslim thing.
I wish it wasn't but there it is (and i am a member of neither religion so i'm not taking any sides there.
[ September 25, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
voidmain:
In my opinion "holy war" is just an excuse. BTW, who actually threatens/partakes in a "holy war" whatever the hell that is. I don't believe religion enters into the mix anywhere when it comes to Iraq. I don't even consider Saddam to be a religious fanatic let alone Bush. I do believe he (Hussein) is an evil lunatic but not a religious fanatic.
Calum:
i suppose i have to say you are right because i agree with all the things you said just then.
Still, when people use religion as an excuse, religion is brought into the mix whether it deserves to be there or not. How much religion affects the conflict is down entirely to how much people take it seriously in the context of a holy war.
I agree totally with the idea that if not for religion people would find some other excuse to have a war, however i think that if people tell themselves they are fighting a holy war, they will bend the rules of their religion so as to tell them how to fight that war.
I don't know. I agree with everything you just said though.
I have never heard of either saddam or bush being religious nutters.
hm_murdock:
America sucks.
As "young adults"... we're told how important we are to the future of the nation, then in the same breath, we're told that we're worthless because we haven't "earned respect for ourselves".
Sorry guys, but when do I have to EARN respect? I thought it was due to me as a human being.
I was told by one individual that it's "my place" to suffer through financial hardships and school debts as a "young adult".
I told said individual to suck my proverbial cock.
edit: to make this post on topic... Saddam and Bush both seem to be the kind of guys that would use religion as an excuse for war. Saddam would play on anti-Christian sentiments to make his people hate us, and Bush would use our fear of Islam to get us to join the army and help kill 'em all.
I say we replace war with a bunch of rooms with VR booths where guys just play FPS games. Nobody gets hurt (aside from maybe carpal tunnel) and when it's over... nobody really gives a fuck.
[ September 30, 2002: Message edited by: The Jimmy James ]
voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by The Jimmy James:
America sucks.
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Compared to what? I've been all over the world and I would choose to differ.
quote:As "young adults"... we're told how important we are to the future of the nation, then in the same breath, we're told that we're worthless because we haven't "earned respect for ourselves".
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So who's telling you this? "earned respect for ourselves" to me would imply "self-respect". Self-respect would be you having respect for yourself, believing in yourself. In which case what anyone else thinks is irrelevant. But self-respect usually has to be present (among other things) in order to gain the respect of others.
quote:Sorry guys, but when do I have to EARN respect? I thought it was due to me as a human being.
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I certainly do not believe respect is a basic human right as it is an internal feeling. One person can not be forced to respect someone else. It is true that respect is earned, but not in the concious way that you work a job to earn money. You earn someones respect by your actions. Someone might earn respect just by being a good person, a hard worker, a helper/giver, etc. But it's not like that person has "set forth to earn respect", it's natural to them.
quote:I was told by one individual that it's "my place" to suffer through financial hardships and school debts as a "young adult".
I told said individual to suck my proverbial cock.
--- End quote ---
Doesn't sound like either person in this example is starting out on the right path of earning the other's respect.
quote:edit: to make this post on topic... Saddam and Bush both seem to be the kind of guys that would use religion as an excuse for war. Saddam would play on anti-Christian sentiments to make his people hate us, and Bush would use our fear of Islam to get us to join the army and help kill 'em all.
I say we replace war with a bunch of rooms with VR booths where guys just play FPS games. Nobody gets hurt (aside from maybe carpal tunnel) and when it's over... nobody really gives a fuck.
--- End quote ---
Yes, life certainly would be a peach if this were possible. I would be more than happy to hear any ideas on how to make this happen (or any other idea on how to attain world peace short of getting rid of all of the world's people).
[ September 30, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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