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psyjax:
Well, since we are all on the topic of religion :D
I might as well drop in my two cents:
http://www.xenu.net/ <- all about those kookie scientologists!
www.religioustolerance.com <- great sight documenting and discussing the belifes of various world religions.
http://www.evcforum.net/ <- Great forums were fundies and Scientists but heads over creationism and evolution.
Now my two cents.
The quote from Kant about fundamental axioms is correct, indeed science is no method for learning truth but rather a tool for interpretation. As humans we only have the ability to understand HOW things work not WHY things work.
Why is an unansurable question, Aristotle refered to it as "for the sake of which". This is something humans are unable to answer. Thus, saying there is no God, is fundamentaly the same as saying there is a God, both require a leap of faith far outside our perceptual realm.
You canot prove a negative, and likewise you cannot prove an absolute. Thus, theisim and atheisum stand on the same logical podium.
I take an agnostic stance with a firm belife in some sort of creative entety, weather sentient or not.
It just seems to me that the existence of... well... existence Is rather suppernatural. Why, does it exist?
Whatever you answer the Why question with, it's up to you.
But this answer, by it's very nature, falls far outside of science, and it's something each individual must seek out for themselves.
Thus, I agree that organized religion is bullshit, but it dosn't mean there isn't wisdom to be gaind by it's teachings. There is nothing wrong with seeking spiritual fullfillment, we all do it.
EDIT: may I just add that phlogisten was not a hypothesis. Indeed all heat messurement was calculated acording to the theory.
The interesting thing is that weather you use phlogisten theory, or caloric theory to messure something. The results are still accurate!
Same with Ptolomeic Astronomy, and modern Astronomy. Whichever calculations you use for our solar system, produce accurate results.
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax ]
Refalm:
Probably the best relegion ever: Integrational Polytheism.
Probably the weirdest regigion ever: Cult of Bob.
Laukev7:
I agree with Psyjax. By the way, this is agnosticism.
I just followed Zardoz's links about Scientology. My god, what utter twaddle, indeed!
jasonlane:
quote:Originally posted by Laukev7:
I agree with Psyjax. By the way, this is agnosticism.
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I agree with him as well.
Faust:
Yay replies.
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I personally believe that beliefs are usually a dangerous thing,
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Yes.
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Ideas are better because they can usually change, ther not dogmatic, stubborn.
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Yep.
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Scientology's hilarious. It was basically created to prove how gullable people are and even after the creator said it was all fake people kept believing it!
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People are funny like that - ridicule anyones fullest beliefs and even go as far as proving that they're false and they will argue harder to mantain consistency. Back in 2000 one of those doomsday cults claimed that on New Years a spaceship would come and save them from the Earths destruction... So they waited at the "site" for the "saviors" (media there of course) and at midnight, no spaceship, no doomsday. About half the members quit right then - but the other half, the strong believers became fanatical in their belief *because* that belief was just shown as really fucking stupid. The fear that you may be wrong is extremely strong - so people will go to massively illogical lengths to try and mantain consistency in their beliefs. You can use this to con people btw, the Koreans used it on American POWs - get a captured soldier to admit a *trivial* thing that is wrong with the US on paper, even something tiny like "The US is not perfect" - which is fucking obvious as no country is perfect. Of course you get a small food reward for this - hey its not like selling out your country right? Your starving and its true, the soldies still believed (rightly IMO) that America was in the right. Then of course a Korean general reads the signed statement "america is not perfect" out in front of all the other American POWs. Suddenly you look like a traitor and this gave Koreans a huge psych edge in any and all brainwashing.
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That movie sucked ass.
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"So bad it's good." Kinda like "Kung Pow," or "The master of disguise."
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