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Faust:
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religion is not speaking for him and if it is then I don't want to know that sort of god anyway.
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[aol]me too![/aol] Personally if it turns out there is a God who *wants* to kill the unbelievers and smite the heathens, I think we should start looking at building some metaphysical nuclear weapon of some kind.
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Just because he was Einstein doesn't mean he was right. He did not necessarily give as much thought to religion as he did to his scientific principles
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that wasn't my point - indeed on matters of physics listen to Einstein, on everything else tell him to shut the fuck up. :D I was showing that not all believers in religion are necessarily dumb country hicks as was claimed earlier - and also you cannot claim you know more than "churchies" because "you're smarter."
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You are missing quite a few important ideas of science here. First, all those beliefs were NOT theories; they were hypotheses. A hypothesis is only called a theory once it is agreed upon and proven beyond reasonable doubt. It is also normal, and even expected that some theories may be proven wrong someday.
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Theres very little difference. All scientific beliefs are merely succesive iterations in a general direction towards a higher level of "accuracy." Up until recently Newtons theories of gravitation were believed to be absolute - but have now been replace by einsteins "more correct" theories of relativity. However Newtons theories are _close enough_ and more importantly a necessary stepping stone on the road to teaching High School students science.
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A hypothesis is only called a theory once it is agreed upon and proven beyond reasonable doubt.
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Then there *are* no hypothes' (stupid plurals...) by this definition then, for it is impossible to prove something absolutely. Unless you mean "reasonable doubt" as being "only abnormal people dont believe in this" in which case phlogiston held - it was a commonly believed scientific law. And there WERE experiments carried out - people burned stuff and hey it got lighter! (these were experiments performed and _believed_ by accepted scientists.) so OBVIOUSLY something had to be leaving the substance, and that something had to be phlogiston - you could even see it in the form of flames. Nowadays we know that actually masses dont decrease when you burn stuff (well not by much - some is converted into minute amounts of energy by the laws of quantum physics of course.) - its just that a lot of the mass gets turned into other states (like gases) and you cant weigh gas accurately with 18th century equipment. I fully expect that in a few centuries time we will have more accurate equipment that debunks a lot of todays scientific facts - theres even a famous quote about quantum physics - "if you think you understand QP you dont."
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People do believe in anything scientists tell them, but NOT because they present hypotheses as facts. People believe them because they do not verify their sources or do any homework. The layman does not pay attention to importants keywords such as 'it is believed that' or 'many scientists speculate' or 'they claim that' when they read or watch documentaries.
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A good scientist will *never* believe in an absolute truth, because there are too many examples of what eventually happens to a "proof" later on down the line. They said that firmars equation was impossible - in the last 4 years it was solved. (the proof took 10,000 pages)
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I do. And this is a proven theory, not speculation. The debate between evolution and creationism was the subject of a whole English session.
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There are major flaws in evolutioniary theory, and very few expert opinions coincide with each other. Still it has a heck of a lot less holes than say Creationism so I choose to place my faith in evolution at this point in time.
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Depends in what religion you believe in. If you believe you actually have to obey rules given by God, and that God is perfect, then one would assume that if he really was perfect, then everyone would already know the rules, or better yet, would not even be able to disobey them. We wouldn't have to 'spread the word', thus eliminating a big source of confusion and disagreement, and perhaps even violence and war. We wouldn't even be discussing this topic in the first place.
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Yes - there are severe logic errors in any claim that God is a)perfect and b)wants you to believe. But it is only if you try and claim the last two that you fuck up, not by claiming the existence of God.
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The debate between evolution and creationism was the subject of a whole English session.
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One WHOLE english lesson? Holy shit! Like a whole 40 minutes? Wow...
[ July 29, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
suselinux:
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Einstein was brain washed? HOLY FUCKING SHIT! Or was it the emotional crutches? Some VERY intelligent people believe in God numb nuts - yes, many are conformist morons, but so are many anti god idiots. I have seen high school students try to take on people who have phds in mathematics over the God issue - and the atheist high school students think they know that God doesn't exist because they're "smarter." (Really a lot of people that dont believe in God are just following the crowd and havent really thought through the issue. Admit it. Atheism is cool.) Im not saying you should have to believe in an all powerful being - really some of the arguments put forward for Gods existence are a bit lame (the design argument) or plain circular (anything by Descartes.) But you cant disprove the existence of a God either - try and keep fascist ideas about control to yourself please?
Unless you _want_ me to start refering to you as the thought police.
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Einstien did have an emotional crutch, he believed in God and it hindered him, He was not willing to believe that the universe was finite, because that would mean GOD was finite so he MADE UP the Lambda
(greek letter looks like an "L" kinda) force, and you know what it screwed up his theory of relativity so he took it out and that was when he stopped studying relativity, because he was at a loss---How can the universe be finite when God created it?----because he dosen't exist.
BTW Einstien married his own cousin.
Faust you believe very strongly in something (judging by your posts) and frankly I envy you. I wish I had the capacity to believe in God.
suselinux:
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How many of you _believe_ in evolution?
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I thought every one did :confused: .........honestly
Faust:
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Believe in What ever you want to, but religion is a crock anyway, if you believe in god, or gods, or satan for that matter, you've been brain washed. Or your so emotionally pathetic that you need that crutch in your life.
I could not agree more.
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If you cant agree more then post some arguments - blind assertions seem kinda... irattional you brainwashed little man.
Psyjax : nice, could not agree more.
BTW in case anyone was wondering I'm heterodox Christian. I am willing to place money on the past existence of a Jesus, and the same for a "force/god thingy" (ooh star warsy...) i dont believe in all the funky shit in the bible though - there is no gurantee that all of that was written by people who knew Jesus or spoke to God, and indeed a lot of the new Testament was written hundreds of years after Jesus supposedly died. Anyway half the fucking thing contradicts the other half... Also the church can suck my ^*%* anbd like it. Any religious group that refuses to release documents written by their own prophets in the name of "mantaining the churches teachings" is fucking bullshit IMO. Why the fuck would God need a frigging hierarchy anyway? ITS GOD YOU MORONS! IT CAN TALK TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE AT MULTIPLE TIMES IF IT WANTS TO!
Also the idea of a sentient / in human form / or human comprehensible God is kinda... stupid. And God IMO couldnt have a sex either. Why would a God need a dick? its not like its gunna be "getting with" other Gods or all the worshippers. And I cant see a God taking a slash no matter how hard I try...
One thing though : priests play with too many little boys.
suselinux:
quote:Originally posted by suselinux:
Einstien did have an emotional crutch, he believed in God and it hindered him, He was not willing to believe that the universe was finite, because that would mean GOD was finite so he MADE UP the Lambda
(greek letter looks like an "L" kinda) force, and you know what it screwed up his theory of relativity so he took it out and that was when he stopped studying relativity, because he was at a loss---How can the universe be finite when God created it?----because he dosen't exist.
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god works in mysterious ways.........
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[ July 29, 2003: Message edited by: suselinux ]
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