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Something for all you Europeans
Faust:
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religion is just too objective.
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SUBjective is the word your looking for.
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Believe in What ever you want to, but religion is a crock anyway, if you believe in god, or gods, or satan for that matter, you've been brain washed. Or your so emotionally pathetic that you need that crutch in your life.
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Einstein was brain washed? HOLY FUCKING SHIT! Or was it the emotional crutches? Some VERY intelligent people believe in God numb nuts - yes, many are conformist morons, but so are many anti god idiots. I have seen high school students try to take on people who have phds in mathematics over the God issue - and the atheist high school students think they know that God doesn't exist because they're "smarter." (Really a lot of people that dont believe in God are just following the crowd and havent really thought through the issue. Admit it. Atheism is cool.) Im not saying you should have to believe in an all powerful being - really some of the arguments put forward for Gods existence are a bit lame (the design argument) or plain circular (anything by Descartes.) But you cant disprove the existence of a God either - try and keep fascist ideas about control to yourself please?
Unless you _want_ me to start refering to you as the thought police.
Faust:
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I am an agnostic (not an atheist), though, and it is my personal opinion that religions should't even exist. I find that religions are just as unfounded as sects, though not as extremist and dogmatic.
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Well thats your opinion and you're entitled to it. And should you ever try and forcefully ban all religions some day I hope the world ignores you. You have no more right to define someone elses beliefs than say a Cleric or Priest has a right to define your beliefs.
Faust:
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Passing a controversial anti-cult law two years ago, France embarked on what some feared was a trend to restrict and oversee religious movements
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You cant say the US FBI doesnt do the same Mushroom prince - when a religious group becomes a danger to the rest of the community or starts trying to brainwash people into following their beliefs the community needs protection.
That said I've read further : The church of scientology? Jehovas Witnesses? WTF? Not what I'd be calling a "cult" here. They may have some... "different" (eh he he, funny IMO) beliefs, but their not exactly dangerous.
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
Faust:
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Or your so emotionally pathetic that you need that crutch in your life.
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Some people would say the same about blind belief in Science. Really Dead _and_ Alive cats? Nice one... and I'm not just talking about non atheists here - too much scientific thought these days does not rest upon proof or evidence. Infinite levels of dimensions? Superstrings as a replacement for quarks/besons? Thats all nice, but face the fact that nothing can ever explain the world - you must always base your beliefs upon fundamental axioms which can never be proven. If you believe otherwise go read some Kant / Descartes. Anyone know what phlogiston is? EVERYONE believed in that stuff, but hey years later it turns out phlogiston is bullshit. Things burn by oxidation, releasing energy from shifting electron states and transferring that energy into vibrating carbon atoms within a CO2 molecule, there really is no phlogiston in flammable materials that makes them burn. But EVERYONE believed in non existent phlogistion because Scientists said it was there. By the way the above is how stuff really burns. (Well thats the thory of the day anyway ;) ) Quite a bit more complicated than the standard "simplification" (face it, lies) that most people were taught about how things burn in school.
Interesting note: The speed of light was constant according to science. Less than a year ago Sydney University showed information showing that it... er probably isnt constant folks. :)
Blind belief in science is just the same as blind belief in religion - a crutch to help people get through their lives.
Edit: cmon peeps, some of you atheists must be pissed about this... i wanna see some blind "i dont know what Im talking about and I use science to make the world seem nice simple and understandable to me" flaming. ;)
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
Faust:
Little girl: You believe in evolution dont you sir?
Jack Cohen(phd in biology): No I dont believe in evolution, like people believe in God - science is advanced by people who dont know but are doing there best to find out"
How many of you _believe_ in evolution?
This is from Terry Pratchetts "Science of Discworld" btw. The chapter I pulled that quote from also has some interesting exploration of "lies to children," how kids in schools are taught _dramatically_ simplified explanations so that later on they can be told "ah, thats wrong because..." and then be taught the more complex version. I also expect my perception on how things burn (above) to be another simplification, and Im sure some peeps with phds in chemistry / particle physics will see it as such.
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