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Political views (not another war thread)
zoolooo:
Calum,
You are not being fair. You are not describing the English.
You describe, accurately, the Home Counties.
I am one of them, I recognise myself in what you say. That is why I am certain the rest of Britain isn't like that.
Scotland vs England is a ploy. It is divide and rule. It works rather well to keep you fighting amounst yourselves and ignore the real enemy/problem.
The characteristics of a ruling class is not especially English. (NB "a" not "the")
zooloo
Siplus:
i'm sorry for interrupting your eng vs scott debate, but i can't let this go...
quote: So, when someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific Bible laws and how to follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? She's 18 and starting University. Will the slave buyer continue to pay for her education by law?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? ....Why can't I own Canadians?
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should this be a neighborhood improvement project?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? Would contact lenses help?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I assume you have studied these things extensively, so I hope you can help.
Thank you for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
--- End quote ---
hmm...i forget which thread i mentioned this in...
i don't hold any faith in the bible. i trust nothing in it because it is made and translated by humans, thus not making it "God's eternal and unchanging word". and gees zooloo, use some common sence!! this is one thing i hate about stupid people, you DO NOT THINK FOR YOURSELVES!
zoolooo:
Siplus: *Capitalist*,
I see, then why is homosexuality morally wrong?
How do you know, or perhaps this is thinking for yourself. Did you make it up?
zooloo
[ March 25, 2003: Message edited by: zoolooo ]
Calum:
quote:Originally posted by zoolooo:
Calum,
You are not being fair. You are not describing the English.
You describe, accurately, the Home Counties.
I am one of them, I recognise myself in what you say. That is why I am certain the rest of Britain isn't like that.
Scotland vs England is a ploy. It is divide and rule. It works rather well to keep you fighting amounst yourselves and ignore the real enemy/problem.
The characteristics of a ruling class is not especially English. (NB "a" not "the")
zooloo
--- End quote ---
i agree with you, but you miss my point. the point is, if the english have a majority one way, and the scots have a majority the other way (in anything, not just how to charge for water), and they are both ruled by the same government, then one group must put up with having whatever the other group voted for. surprise, surprise, there are twelve times as many people in england as in scotland (for reasons i won't go into) so england gets its way in these matters, scotland gets told (symbolically) that its views don't matter and the english get what they want again, and they don't even realise that scotland wanted anything different, much less care.
one intrinsic difference between the english and the scottish is that the english don't think it's a big deal and the scottish do. i say, if it's no big deal to england, then just let scotland go, and everybody's happy, except england no longer gets to sell scotland's oil to the USA.
i agree that the england vs scotland thing is manufactured, but you know what? when i hear english people saying that, i get the impression they think the scots manufactured it. from what i have seen, english people keep this "rivalry" going a lot more than scots do. i have rarely met any scots who have anything against the english people but i have met many english people who make anti-scottish remarks, usually concealed behind a witty smirk, the gesture that english people use to make whatever thing they say come out as a "joke" so that it's "okay" to say it in the first place.
in international football tournaments, it's not scotland's supporters who start fights and beat up the other supporters, on holiday in europe, it's not the scottish who hang around exclusively with english speakers, and will not associate with the locals.
you will have to go a long way to convince me that there is not an intrinsic difference between the scottish and the english. our heritages are just too different.
two more small points,
have a look at the english national anthem, specifically verse six. that's the truth behind the smirk.
also, those "home" counties you mentioned are only home to the ruling classes whom you also mentioned. what piousness causes them to call them the "home" counties? I am much more at home in Edinburgh or Orkney, about 700 and 1000 miles away from the 'home' counties, respectively.
PS, i also am interested in why homosexuality is morally wrong, since many friends of mine are homosexuals, and i am sure would be interested to know what's so morally wrong with them, but sadly i suspect that siplus will not be able to improve on zombie90210's pathetic attempts in the past to justify this ludicrous sentiment.
[ March 26, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: crusader for justice & peace ]
zoolooo:
You have me pinned Calum.
Anything I say you will counter because I am that Englishman you speak of.
It is true we think we are God's own - in principle and in practice.
You have a very effective argument against the English, although I don't think it's any more than just that.
Yes, I know my thinking that is proving your point - an extremely effective argument against the English indeed.
Thanks anyway, I enjoyed that.
zooloo
PS I can't remember who asked, but yes, the gay letter thing is the Dr Laura [?] letter and it's rather good isn't it.
[ March 26, 2003: Message edited by: zoolooo ]
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