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Refalm:
quote:Siplus: ANYONE can get into college in america if they want to because of the emphasis on education. only a moron or someone with an easy life would pass up the opprotunity for higher education.
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That's bullshit. Americans are always saying that, while it's impossible for a lot of people in your country to get higher education, just because they haven't got the money for it. And no, IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.
The dumbest thing Americans say is that poor people are like that because they are dumb. It isn't like that at all.
America is a country in which you can lose all your income and savings just by braking a foot (I saw a documentry on this, and stuff like that hapens all the time). Oh, and if you don't have the money, you can't pay for good insurance. If you want more money, you need college. But since you're working for a minimum wage job just so you don't lose your lousy appartment, you don't have the time or money for a higher education.
Really, I wouldn't live in the United States if someone gave me a lot of money for it, because that money can be lost just because your insurance company won't pay for you.
I'm happy to live in a country like the Netherlands, because here, you get a free basic insurance, and you won't lose all your money paying for a medical operation.
Paladin9:
Refalm is right. I have know smart people who do really well in high school but are not able to go further becuase they come from a poor family. Some are lucky to get in to community college. Fortunately in California community college is really cheap compared to regular 4-year college. I am at a community college right now and the books almost cost more then the tuition .
quote:Originally posted by Refalm:
I'm happy to live in a country like the Netherlands, because here, you get a free basic insurance, and you won't lose all your money paying for a medical operation.
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I will be going on vacation in europe within a year, probably spring of next year. One of the places I am for sure going to is Amsterdam. My great grandmothers family was from the netherlands somewhere making me 1/8 dutch. Now I finally get to go there.
Siplus:
quote:Originally posted by Refalm:
That's bullshit. Americans are always saying that, while it's impossible for a lot of people in your country to get higher education, just because they haven't got the money for it. And no, IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.
The dumbest thing Americans say is that poor people are like that because they are dumb. It isn't like that at all.
America is a country in which you can lose all your income and savings just by braking a foot (I saw a documentry on this, and stuff like that hapens all the time). Oh, and if you don't have the money, you can't pay for good insurance. If you want more money, you need college. But since you're working for a minimum wage job just so you don't lose your lousy appartment, you don't have the time or money for a higher education.
Really, I wouldn't live in the United States if someone gave me a lot of money for it, because that money can be lost just because your insurance company won't pay for you.
I'm happy to live in a country like the Netherlands, because here, you get a free basic insurance, and you won't lose all your money paying for a medical operation.
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oh. so i guess all those thousands of mexicans crossing the border, hundreds of cubans fleeing to join the US and how many thousands/(however many there are i don't know) immigrants there are per year. they all want to live in america because america sucks so much. ya! everyone come and join in the misery of living in america!!!
anyway...there are many ways to get a college education. if you really want in, there is NO REASON YOU SHOULD NOT GET IN. Scholarships, grants, loans, student loans (yes, they even have loans specially designed for those wishing to attend college...wow, what will they think of next?)...all you have to do is look for ways. for some scholarships all you might have to do is write a simple essay. i know what is out there, because i am looking right now at colleges. i have only one year of highschool left and then i'm going to have to rely on only scholarships, grants (if i get any) and LOANS. so i will have to pay back my 8 years of college when i get a job. there is nothing wrong with that.
also, social security in the US is not just for old people. it also covers disabilities. if you are injured on a job, guess what? you collect from social security.
If you are happy in the Netherlands, then good for you. i'm not telling you to pack up and leave.i am sure there are germans happy they are in germany, and russians happy they are in russia. for me, i'm happy i'm in america.
Siplus:
quote:Originally posted by Paladin9:
Refalm is right. I have know smart people who do really well in high school but are not able to go further becuase they come from a poor family. Some are lucky to get in to community college. Fortunately in California community college is really cheap compared to regular 4-year college. I am at a community college right now and the books almost cost more then the tuition .
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woah...either you have really expensive books or that is a cheap college! how many classes do you take a semester?
Paladin9:
All of those illegal aliens come to america to get a half decent job, not a big fancy education!
quote:Originally posted by Siplus:
woah...either you have really expensive books or that is a cheap college! how many classes do you take a semester?
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Like I said, community college in California is cheap. I think I pay around $700 a semester(books and tuition together). Notice that I say semester and not quarter or trimester. I may have to start paying more though, Arnie is raising tuition becauase of the state's budget problems. The four year college in my town is closing for the summer this year. This is the first time that has ever happened. <sarcasm>yeah, sure, things are A LOT better with Grey Davis recalled!</sarcasm>
[ May 09, 2004: Message edited by: Paladin9 ]
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