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Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
Ouch...thats nasty Void Main.

While i agree the MS Office Formats are bad, there would be no harm in using MS Office if they supported other formats IF they did fall sometime in the future.  I'm assuming a situation where the OS fails and all they have let of any worth is the Office suite that has to support open formats.

Basically they end up taking it from everybody.

Don't imply that i am on the MS crack, if OpenOffice was any good, i wouldn't have to use MS Access and MS visio for College.  While i know there is an alternative for Visio (kivio) its interface is crap compared to visio and its light years behind.  I'm afriad i don't have time to learn a program that takes longer to use just so i satisfy other people and proclaim i use opensource.  At the moment i will go with whatever will get the job done in the shortest time.

Because of OpenOffices infancy i only use Writer and Calc BUT the only MS products i HAVE to and DO use is Access(student 2000 version) and Visio (cracked 2002 version) and WinME (copied).

While i do dislike MS and its policyies, i won't convince myself that they don't actually have a good product in the form of MS Office.

voidmain:
I'm sorry but you just showed an even stronger case that you are hooked on their crack. Like a crack addict you have gone to great lengths, including breaking the law. Why jeopardize yourself like that? It's not worth it. What school would require Microsoft Access? That's worse than crack. By the way, I didn't mean to offend you, and I still don't.

Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
Okay okay, i can see what you are saying ot me, but how would you solve my situation then, i need some of this software for the short term?  I don't have

voidmain:
What do you use Visio and Access for, could you give samples of some of your work? I'll look over them this afternoon. I used to use Visio extensively for network maps and flow charts etc. But I have found that you can make some pretty decent stuff with other tools just as easily. The last company I worked for was hooked on Access and they always tried to use it for more than what it was capable of.

I have *so* many problems with using Access. It they are using it to teach you about databases then I strongly disagree with your school. They should be teaching you about *real* databases. To learn about real databases PostgreSQL and MySQL would be far better as they are much more like the high end database systems out there. Access seems to be best at quick little personal databases but when you start sharing these databases it's a nightmare. In addition to those, StarOffice from Sun does come with a database system which is comparable to Access. It is not free, but it's not Microsoft, and it's certainly a lot cheaper (maybe not the school version, but when you get out into the real world you don't get the school crack that Microsoft is pushing).

But again, these are things schools should be doing. Teaching you how to think for yourselves and how to save your future company money. And schools used to develop their own software/applications/operating systems. Wonder what ever happened to those days?

If you can give me some specific examples I'll look them over this afternoon and see what I can come up with. If there are no acceptable alternatives then I would suggest at least you pay for what you do use. Don't get into the habit of pirating software, it will come back and bite you later on down the road.

Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
I use Visio for creating DFD's, but like i said there is Kivio, i could use it but like i said time is an issue.

Access on the other hand is something more tricky.

I am creating a database for a hotel which can involve designing an interface as well for it.  The database isn't what you interact with but the UI instead, Access is used by the hotel this project is for as well thus the compatability issues i have.  His copy has to be workable with my copy and so forth crap and there is the user issue as well.  Training isn't part of his costs because it is only the manager that is using it, but i cannot have a situation where he is off for work and somebody else needs to use it but hit a wall because its not Access.

I suppose i could finish off the DFD to show you what will be going on, do you want that?  I'll finish it now and then email it you for your perusal?

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