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skyman8081:
Except that with IM networks, it isn't just a protocol, the also are running their own servers as well.

I could understand AOL being pissed at Cerulean Studios over cracking OSCAR and using AOL's servers, but if it was that cerulean set up their own seperate network using the same protocal, AOL couldn't really complain.

back on-topic:
Why should somebody be forced to disclose a protocol for their application if they don't wan't to?  If I don't want other apps to inter-operate with my own for ANY reason, why should I be required to allow and support other apps that decided to use the same protocol.  Especially if I expressly FORBADE them from doing so.

I'm going to have to go with BK on this one.  kintaro is right, the GNU movement is built on hate.

Laukev7:

--- Quote --- is that how it works? i thought "du" was personal and "sie" was formal...
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'Sie' with a capital 'S' is formal; with a small 's' it's just plural.

You see, Calum, capital letters are capital* in German. ;)

*Pun fully intended.

piratePenguin:

--- Quote from: WMD ---Linus isn't really the "father of Linux," though. If he hadn't started The Hurd*, arguably Richard Stallman would be the official "father of Linux" - he already has leadership on the basic GNU/Linux userland. Linus is just the kernel. He's quite a celebrity for that, and he deserves on the basis of his fantastic leadership of the kernel development. But being the "father of Linux" would, IMO, require a stronger belief in open source/Free Software than Linus has.

*- I just feel like mentioning...Hurd began development in 1989 and hasn't seen an official release yet.  Pathetic.
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No it is not patethic!
I'm dual-booting with GNU/Linux (Slackware) and Debian GNU/Hurd atm, and GNU/Hurd seems to be very cool so far (only know a bit about it), but it is insanely under-developed. Why? Well, when Linux took off, no-one gave a shit about GNU/Hurd 'cause Linux was (eventually) free software, and (finally) Richard Stallman could run a completely free operating system (consisting mostly of GNU tools, for the record). GNU/Hurd is not a priority at all anymore...

Anyhow, Linus... I used to think he was a God among men, but RMS has that role now.
Linus doesn't give a shit about freedom, and he has bashed GNU/Hurd a bit (just 'cause he doesn't understand it). But I think GNU/Hurd will/would be very, very cool if/when it's finished.

Yes, I'm a GNU advocate.

toadlife:

--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Anyhow, Linus... I used to think he was a God among men, but RMS has that role now.
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LOL! I'm sorry to hear that.

--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Linus doesn't give a shit about freedom, and he has bashed GNU/Hurd a bit (just 'cause he doesn't understand it).
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So if someone doesn't agree with you, then it must be because they don't understand your philosophical point of view?

--- Quote from: piratePenguin --- Yes, I'm a GNU advocate.
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Realllly? ;)

piratePenguin:

--- Quote from: toadlife ---So if someone doesn't agree with you, then it must be because they don't understand your philosophical point of view?

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No, GNU/Hurd is completely different:

--- Quote from: Linus ---As to Hurd, I have to say that I'm not very convinced about the approach. I personally tend to think that Mach, the microkernel the Hurd is based on, is not only bloated and slow, but also much too complex. I think the Hurd tried to be the "perfect" operating system, and they chewed off more than they could handle. It tries to be too clever, too different, too radical. It doesn*t try to be _practical_, which is the main goal with Linux.
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That's pretty accurate (BTW, the Hurd is being ported to another (L4) microkernel).
But I remember reading something by Linus about GNU/Hurd somewhere. He claims the Hurd developers are "stupit". It's all LIES! LIES I TELL YE!

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