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muzzy:
LordC, ouch. You caught me ;) ... well, in W2k3, you don't need to configure everything. Stuff works pretty fine as-is.

BobTheHob, most users aren't programmers, unfortunately. IMO kids should be taught programming in schools like they're taught arithmetics now. Once the users understand what they're doing, they can be given the power to do things.

Anyway, even in *nix a lot of people prefer using some automation tools to do the configuration tasks. It just sucks to edit everything with a plain text editor, especially if you're administrating multiple systems that just need to work. In windows, there's a standard management console (MMC) to perform a lot of the tasks that either need separate standalone tools on *nix or config file editing. Perhaps a generic configuration editor is needed, too, to unify the whole process of setting options in different applications. Third party software rarely implements MMC snap-ins :\

Lord C:
I agree on the schooling issue.

But not only do children need to be tought Programming, they also need to be tought IT Skills.
I don't mean the rubbish IT classes they have right now "This is how we make a spreadsheet in Microsoft Excel" - the kid only knows how to use Excel now.
What we need is to teach them how to effectively use a PC, and about Online Safety.
Safety wise, I don't mean "Chatrooms are bad!" as they tried in the late 90's, I mean teach them about Viruses, Firewalls, Spyware etc - then also teach them about Open Source Software, and possibly even Linux.

Fact is, most schools run MS software, and converting them is another issue.
I'm so tired of getting IMs like "shit! I have a virus, porn is popping up all over, what shall I do?"
To which you would like to answer "Get a fucking clue!", but of course, I'm usually a bit more diplomatic than that - pointing them to OSS anti-virus and anti-spyware etc.

solemnwarning:

--- Quote from: Lord C ---I agree on the schooling issue.

But not only do children need to be tought Programming, they also need to be tought IT Skills.
I don't mean the rubbish IT classes they have right now "This is how we make a spreadsheet in Microsoft Excel" - the kid only knows how to use Excel now.
What we need is to teach them how to effectively use a PC, and about Online Safety.
Safety wise, I don't mean "Chatrooms are bad!" as they tried in the late 90's, I mean teach them about Viruses, Firewalls, Spyware etc - then also teach them about Open Source Software, and possibly even Linux.

Fact is, most schools run MS software, and converting them is another issue.
I'm so tired of getting IMs like "shit! I have a virus, porn is popping up all over, what shall I do?"
To which you would like to answer "Get a fucking clue!", but of course, I'm usually a bit more diplomatic than that - pointing them to OSS anti-virus and anti-spyware etc.
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im 13, in year 8 of high school, the it lessons are crap (you are taught to use windows xp using rm domain software (make winshit even worse (if thats possible)) and ms office, thier 10 domain controllers run xp pro (no wonder the net is down so much

Aloone_Jonez:
solemnwarning,
I remember back in 1995 when I was your age, the good old days of computing. Microsoft had yet to become a monopoly we used Acorns at school, Atari was great and Macs were in fashion too. I used to enjoy IT lessons we used to write programs in BBC BASIC and draw pretty shapes in Logo, we use pendown for word processing a great program. Then when I went from middle to upper school where MS had taken over so we used Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 on the newer machines they were always going wrong and I kept loosing work because a BSOD appeard every hour or so.

Refalm:

--- Quote from: solemnwarning ---thier 10 domain controllers run xp pro
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Aargh!! At least use something less bloated are more stable like Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 (not as stable as Linux and UNIX though).
I had to learn Active Directory once. It gave me headaches. It's basically the work of a psychopath nerd with his own logic and structure.

Novell NetWare is far more superior, non-bloated, clear and stable. I'd use it instead of Active Directory anytime.

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