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BobTheHob:

--- Quote from: muzzy ---When you grow up, you'll learn that you don't understand security, you don't understand quality, you don't understand business, and so on. Most likely, right now, your opinions are based on other people's opinions and not on knowledge of technology/economics and facts. Unfortunately, this means your opinions about Microsoft and Windows don't have much weight. Sure, you can hold any opinions you want to, but your opinions will be meaningless and nobody will respect them if you hold them for weak reasons.

Right now, you've probably had some bad experiences about Windows. It's typical behaviour for your age to blame something else than yourself for them. It's always easier to say that Windows sucks, rather than anything that has to do with yourself, the user. Most probably, however, your problems relate to your lack of skills. This is OK, you don't have to be ashamed or to feel guilty about it, you're not any different from anyone else in this regard.

However, if you really cared about quality of the operating system, the security or the business practices, you'd study them. You can obviously do so while keeping your opinion, it doesn't matter if your opinion changes often, opinions should always be re-evaluated when you learn significant new information. There's so much you don't know, and you can start anyday. When someone says something you don't like, don't just disregard it. Study it. Same applies when someone says something you like, you shouldn't just accept things that sound good, you should check the facts just to be sure, so you'll know your opinion is based on solid facts. If you don't do fact checking and research, it means your opinions aren't solid, and it'd made little difference what opinion you held. In a place like this, most people won't blame you for that, as long as you hold the same opinions they do.

I'm not saying you shouldn't hate windows. I'm saying you should know your reasons for it, and know that the reasons are solid. Just because someone says so doesn't mean much. Experts tend to disagree about stuff, too, which means things aren't quite so black and white. If I were you, I'd stick to solid facts. If you've personally found windows to be difficult to use and something else was easier, that's a valid reason. If you've found that there are more friendly and knowledgeable *nix users out there than there are similar windows users, that's valid as well. However, I suspect you don't have what it takes to judge the design and implementation issues of Windows, or the economics, corporate and legal issues behind Microsoft's business practices.

It's been said that a little information is a dangerous thing, and same applies here. Don't think your knowledge is solid if you only know a narrow amount of things about the field. Seek the broader knowledge, and share it. Make the world a better place. Try not to spread other people's opinions about things you don't understand. Make your own opinions based on what you know, not based on what other people believe.

Thank you for listening, and welcome to the forums.

Oh, and the above isn't to be taken too seriously, although I wouldn't recommend taking it completely lightly either. The chances are, you don't understand what I'm saying anyway, so there's no much point to pay that much attention to it. But remember what I said, I'm sure you'll understand it someday :)
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@simon: I suggest you take muzzys advice and don't listen to others opinions, which if you took his advice that would be his opinion. If performed in the right manner, the two will cancel out muzzys post and send it to an alternate dimension. Then, after its gone, you will totally forget muzzys opinion on the basis that it doesnt exist. After this happens you will then see the truth that the only thing microsft has going for it are its business stratiges and they arent even morally correct.

@muzzy: you know your lying if you try and tell someone windows is secure, just because someone posts something doesnt mean you have to respond with something pro-microsft that you make up.

piratePenguin:

--- Quote from: Simon ---I didn't know MS sucked until I was about 9, when I realized how crappy Winduhs is, and at 10 I learned all the Anti-Trust stuff.
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If you have alot of bad experiences with an OS, isn't it OK to dislike the manufacturer, who happen to be the largest and richest company in the world?
And who have a well known (but not known enough) reputation of using evil (evil!) business practices?

I must confess, when I was your age Simon, I loved Microsoft. I used to dream of working for them ;). Muzzy is right. Make sure your opinions are based on facts. Else I'd still be dreaming of workin' for MS :thumbup:.

BobTheHob:

--- Quote from: JanusChrist ---When I was 11 I didn't know what a vagina looked like.
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hmm, you never played doctor with any neighborhood girls your age? I thought everyone did ;)

adiment:

--- Quote from: JanusChrist ---When I was 11 I didn't know what a vagina looked like.
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I smell a ban.

muzzy:

--- Quote from: BobTheHob ---@simon: I suggest you take muzzys advice and don't listen to others opinions, which if you took his advice that would be his opinion. If performed in the right manner, the two will cancel out muzzys post and send it to an alternate dimension. Then, after its gone, you will totally forget muzzys opinion on the basis that it doesnt exist. After this happens you will then see the truth that the only thing microsft has going for it are its business stratiges and they arent even morally correct.
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Damn right! Nobody should adopt my opinions just because I say something, because most people don't have the insight to back up my views. If you don't know what I know, you can never truly understand my opinions. You can always ask, ofcourse, that's the idea. I introduce you to my view, and tell what it's based on, which means you can research it. If you find that I've presented new information or a valid point you hadn't seriously considered before, you can re-evaluate your opinions if you so choose to.

And regarding morals, they're just what people believe in and what they're taught to believe in. Morals in micro-scale shouldn't be any basis for corporate operations, or legal issues related to them. The laws should be set so that corporations benefit the society, and don't trample on people's freedoms, and support whatever else is temporally neat. Then, corporations should be enforced to act that way. It's not Microsoft's failure that the US Government is such a bunch of wimps, but at least EU is doing something. Microsoft should only do what's good for microsoft, and even if that means hiring a private army and taking over a small country, there'd be no issue about morals. Evil has to be made unprofitable, otherwise you can't stop it.


--- Quote from: BobTheHob ---@muzzy: you know your lying if you try and tell someone windows is secure, just because someone posts something doesnt mean you have to respond with something pro-microsft that you make up.
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Well, my Windows system happens to be relatively secure. It's not my fault things work fine for me. What comes to configuration, you can't say that a door isn't secure if you don't know how to lock it. There's a difference between instance of a system sucking, and the system itself sucking. Do you think computers are unstable because cats and dogs could run into case, pee in there and so on, if it's open? Obviously not, it'd be your fault because you kept it open. The thing gets really tricky when you don't know of the threats, nor do you know of the solutions. Then, when something happens, you'll blame the system because you're simply not aware it was your fault...

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