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Microsoft bans democracy
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: Jenda ---Flamewars, episode MMMCIX,
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Bring it on! :D
No seriously, I find it sad that we can't have a sensible debate without people slipping the lamest insults into their post like "Are you high?" :rolleyes: in reterospect I shouldn't have bothered responding to this comment.
--- Quote from: Jenda ---The school computers are also there for kids who do not have a puter/internet access at home. Don't forget those.
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Yes I agree, but the schools computers aren't supposed to be used for recreational purposes.
--- Quote from: Jenda ---Here in Canada, they even block email sites.
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They do where I work too, infact anything non-work related is blocked (and stupidly some work related stuff too) but we have stand alone Internet machines available just in case.
In fact it is pretty easy to make a reasonably secure system, just give everybody restricted priveliges - no problem. You don't need to install any spyware on the computers either since all the computers on the network connect to the net via the server that can log the IP adresses and it knows with users are using which computers by logging their IP address when they log on, and if people can't install things there is no way they can fuck anything up.
LOL!, once back in the day when I was at school the computers ran Windows 98 and to get round the spyware problem I made a boot disc with a batch file (autoexec.bat) that over-writ the Windows 98 start up picture (c:\windows\logo.sys) with a comical picture of a troll along with a message "Watch out (insert techers name here" has eyes everywhere!" and gave a copy of the disc to all my friends and asked them to boot each computer with the disc so the following day the teacher came in to the computer room and every computer displayed this. I was only caught beacuse a teacher asked me about this and I couldn't keep a straight face :D but it was a week from the last day so I didn't care anyway.
The silly thing is I told them how to correct the problem I told them to password the bios setup and make the first boot drive C: but they didn't listen. :rolleyes: So yes call me a hypocrite if you will but I've been on both sides of this and I've grown up a bit since then so I firmly believe that anything to prevent the computers being fucked about with is a good thing and privacy at school isn't important.
Lord C:
Bleh, continuing the conversation of school computers,
I was also banned from the blooming network :@
So I just logged on as the teacher when they weren't looking, hoho.
MrX:
What is the motivating force between these arguments? What makes you think you know? This isn't like 1990 where we only have one computer for 6 kids. Everyone has there on computer and after we're done the work we play games. Heck, this whole thing is garbage. The reason why they need these rules are because there are too MANY computers for each kid, and when they are done they do something else. Maybe we should go back to 1990 where there where 1 computer for 5 kids and you got the work done and didnt fool around.
If you say that school computer's cannot be used for recreational purposes then why just not take away teacher staff rooms? THis is what im talking about don't be so arrogant. YOU are reading this and YOU play games on computers at work or school some time. Don't lie to me.
Mr X
Aloone_Jonez:
To be honest I don't play games at all now, may be back in 1990 when I had my sega Master System but I haven't really played any games since Quake 1 (whenever it was realeased)
What you're suggesting is very foolish, you seem to think it's fine to for the schools to allow studants to install software, even pirate software in some cases.
Have you stopped to think of the implications of what you're suggesting?
By giving studants the privileges to install games you're also allowing them to install viruses and while most students don't do it on purpose there is a strong possiblily that the games can contain viruses and this is even more often the case with warez obtained from P2P networks.
The schools should only allow you to use the software that they provide, if you really want to provide you with games then maybe you could pay them to buy them for you and they can ensure they are legit and you only use them at lunch and break time. But I don't see the point in this if you really want do play games then whay don't you bring a laptop in? That's what I used to do.
Orethrius:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---To be honest I don't play games at all now, may be back in 1990 when I had my sega Master System but I haven't really played any games since Quake 1 (whenever it was realeased)
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Wait, so you don't even play Patience or anything of that order? Maybe you get your kicks coding, my way is not everyone's, but it sounds kinda dull to me.
--- Quote ---What you're suggesting is very foolish, you seem to think it's fine to for the schools to allow studants to install software, even pirate software in some cases.
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Um, actually, who's suggesting that? Don't read implications where none exist.
--- Quote ---Have you stopped to think of the implications of what you're suggesting?
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Yeah, by correlation, teachers wouldn't be entrusted to not play games on the systems, and we'd ALL get more work done. Get real, that's not how the power structure works (though sometimes I wish it did).
--- Quote ---By giving studants the privileges to install games you're also allowing them to install viruses and while most students don't do it on purpose there is a strong possiblily that the games can contain viruses and this is even more often the case with warez obtained from P2P networks.
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Okay, fair enough. I'm not endorsing warez, and I doubt anyone else here has said as much. To that end, any campus that doesn't have P2P ports clamped down should expect to be brutally owned. They really don't need anything open but 80, and if they're feeling particularly generous, 5190.
--- Quote ---The schools should only allow you to use the software that they provide, if you really want to provide you with games then maybe you could pay them to buy them for you and they can ensure they are legit and you only use them at lunch and break time. But I don't see the point in this if you really want do play games then whay don't you bring a laptop in? That's what I used to do.
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I'm glad you can afford to do that. On the other hand, you bring up an issue that I'm sure we've thoroughly worn out by now. We DO pay them to buy them for us, and the ratio in the States is roughly five computers to every registered student. It's ludicrous that we're expected to work on those five systems 24/7. That being said, really, what's to stop someone from just booting off a LiveCD and doing what they want from VMware anyway? The only solutions I've heard you advocate so far are all software-based, and you have to admit, that's no substitute for having someone actually watching the physical systems. Now not everybody is going to try to split their attention between thirty boxen at once, fair enough. That's what the entire Teacher's Assistant / Personal Assistant concept is all about. If you can't watch the physical presence, hire someone you trust that can, either for cash or class credits. Again, we're too dependent on software solving security issues, and that's a contradiction in terms really. If something's not physically secured, no amount of encryption and monitoring is going to solve that problem.
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