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Duo Maxwell:
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BTW, novell is giving away another resource kit for free to anyone wants to try out their software. dont have the link. but i think you altually had to receive an email to get it. not sure though.
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https://secure-www.novell.com/community/linux/order.php?email=%25%25emailaddr%25%25
ksym:
--- Quote from: Pathos ---Thats still very slow (Notepad2 on WinXP = instant, less than quarter of a second).
Is it Gnome and/or the shell/Kernel that slows it down so much? Can you similar performance to winXP with another distribution/gui?
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If speed is so significant for you, then don't bother with OSS systems. Just stick with yer suck-bills-balls-Windows or what ever ;)
You see, commercial platforms have a market-driven userland, which is mostly standardized, like in Windows. Software can be prelinked against system interfaces during compile-time, and so they work fast as hell.
In GNU/Linux you have no standards, no single userland to prelink software with. And this also makes it hard to mane binary software distributions at all! If one wants to be 100% sure his software works, then one gotta distribute it as source and let end users bang their heads to the wall while compiling it.
--- Quote ---I'm probably heading towards Fedora Core at the moment. I want a distribution that is fully installed, I'll try the Ubuntu CD if I get my hands on it.
Only problem is that I have 56k modem so I can't download anything big. May have to order it.
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NOW THAT is a PROBLEM.
Modern distributions are based around the net. They need to be linked with the central software repository, which contains the pre-compiled applications for that distro.
The thing is, without a fast internet connection your Linux distribution is pretty much useless. You can't install applications as in windows, dl some exe and run it ... in Linux there are no userland standards to make easy binary distribution: each software dependes on other pieces of software, the other software depends on other and so forth ...
this is because the whole GNU/Linux is nothing but the most essential c-libraries, all other components must be dealt with individually.
So you have to rely on the distribution's central software repository, and the application collection it offers, because these 'packages' have all the dependencies resolved, and stored into the repository. An installation of a simple application might need about 20 other components to be installed ... and without automation getting those components would be a fucking frustrating job i tell ya ...
So you are still interested? If so, then wellcome, have fun, and PM me about your first experiences on this wonderful chaos called "GNU/Linux".
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---It takes me about two seconds to open up GNU Emacs (in X), but then when I close it and open it again, it pops up in no time atall.
Does the same thing happen for you ppl with gedit?
Does the same thing happen in Windows (try it with something like Firefox)?
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This is the same with all programs on all modern operating systems, the program loads instantly because it remains in the disc cache when it's closed so it doesn't need to be loaded again unless it's been overwritten by something else.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---This is the same with all programs on all modern operating systems, the program loads instantly because it remains in the disc cache when it's closed so it doesn't need to be loaded again unless it's been overwritten by something else.
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Ah right.
Ksym, I was on dialup all my internet-life up untill a few weeks ago. When I switched to mandrake over a year ago (using cd's I asked my brother to download, 'cause he has broadband), on 56k, I updated all the packages in half a night. Keeping the system up to date was easy as pie (in Windows, after a reinstall, updating took _forever_. And I coundnt find out how to save the updates to disk or whatever). I never had a problem with loads of dependencies I didn't want being downloaded or anything like that. None of the problems you describe actually occured. Whenever packages were downloaded, they were stored somewhere in /var (cant remember exactly) and I just burned them to disk and installed them any time I reinstalled (infact, I never reinstalled mandrake.).
ksym:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Ah right.
Ksym, I was on dialup all my internet-life up untill a few weeks ago. When I switched to mandrake over a year ago (using cd's I asked my brother to download, 'cause he has broadband), on 56k, I updated all the packages in half a night. Keeping the system up to date was easy as pie (in Windows, after a reinstall, updating took _forever_. And I coundnt find out how to save the updates to disk or whatever). I never had a problem with loads of dependencies I didn't want being downloaded or anything like that. None of the problems you describe actually occured. Whenever packages were downloaded, they were stored somewhere in /var (cant remember exactly) and I just burned them to disk and installed them any time I reinstalled (infact, I never reinstalled mandrake.).
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With a 56k system upgrade takes a lot of time. And one gotta keep up to date, or some third party apps just won't work.
Just admit it, there are no standards and no stable userland schemes in any GNU/Linux distros. All of them are just billions of small pieces parsed together with the power of yer internet connection. No offense, but this kind of system designs just sucks.
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