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piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: ksym ---With a 56k system upgrade takes a lot of time.
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No it does NOT. It's nowhere near as bad as on Windows.
The only tough bit is getting your hands on the CD(s). From then on, it's free sailing.
Plus, I find that free programs contain less bloat than non-free programs (take a look at blender. Then other similar non-free programs. Take a look at Cinelerra... Take a look at the GIMP...). And downloading then takes alot less time.
Heh, I used to get my brother to download all applications I wanted. Cause I couldn't get them on 56k. But getting the GIMP, Cinelerra, free software programs... Now he's obselete :D
--- Quote from: ksym ---And one gotta keep up to date, or some third party apps just won't work.
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I've never had any problems with stuff not compiling because of that, and I've used Slackware (10.0 and 10.1) alot which I _never_ updated (didn't know how heh.). And on Slackware I compiled everything I wanted/needed anyhow.
--- Quote from: ksym ---Just admit it, there are no standards and no stable userland schemes in any GNU/Linux distros. All of them are just billions of small pieces parsed together with the power of yer internet connection. No offense, but this kind of system designs just sucks.
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There's no standards accross the different distributions alright. And it's terrible, I know. But inside each distribution, be it Mandriva, Fedora Core, Debian, or whatever, everything just works.
It's a wonderful system!
ksym:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---I've never had any problems with stuff not compiling because of that, and I've used Slackware (10.0 and 10.1) alot which I _never_ updated (didn't know how heh.). And on Slackware I compiled everything I wanted/needed anyhow.
There's no standards accross the different distributions alright. And it's terrible, I know. But inside each distribution, be it Mandriva, Fedora Core, Debian, or whatever, everything just works.
It's a wonderful system!
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You were just being lucky.
You see, it is all about what version development headers/m4-macros the software developers used.
Wanna try building Linux Dc++ on yer slackware? It uses GTK 2.4, and Debian OS does not provide this new version of it.
So you gotta compile it by hand, and all it's dependencies (libatk if i remember correctly).
I have no problems with such a task, but many newb users get frustrated with these kidna defiencies. And this is what makes Linux too chaotic for enterprise level, where everything, EVEN SOFTWARE INSTALLATION, needs to work every time.
piratePenguin:
I'm not bothered that some non-free developers have trouble getting their non-free programs onto our free operating system. I'm actually quite glad.
IMO, inventing the LGPL and applying it to glibc was a bad move by GNU. I'm quite surprised they did it. If it wasn't RMS in control (assuming it was. I dunno though, but I know that he definetly accepts the LGPL), I'd probably expect him to make his own GPL library.
RMS wanted a free operating system. He has it now, and now they're trying to make BIOSes free software. What they want is not a free operating system, but a system of entirely free software. So expliticly (why the hell won't google/dictionary.com help me spell that properly :mad:?) allowing non-free software on the system is just retarded.
But they did it so the operating system could survive and maybe someday go mainstream. I've no doubt that the operating system would definetly have survived (we've got free alternatives for almost everything. Currently we don't need non-free software for a usable system.), but going mainstream is another thing entirely.
I wouldn't want it to go mainstream unless the major apps and the whole of the OS are free software. I mean, I don't want it to go mainstream unless my system can be totally free software (so all the tools I use must be free). I'd be surprised if RMS thought differently. Which is why I think for him to accept the LGPL, is just silly.
I'd much prefer everything to be free software. And to outlaw non-free software rather than welcome it like GNU did when they invented the LGPL.
worker201:
--- Quote from: ksym ---Wanna try building Linux Dc++ on yer slackware? It uses GTK 2.4, and Debian OS does not provide this new version of it.
So you gotta compile it by hand, and all it's dependencies (libatk if i remember correctly).
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Whiny little bitch! I built gtk-2.8 from source on my Mac! It's not that hard.
Anybody who expects this Linux thing to be easy is going to be very disappointed.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: worker201 ---Anybody who expects this Linux thing to be easy is going to be very disappointed.
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Do you mean getting that GNU/Linux DC++ working or learning GNU/Linux?
In case of the latter, we're talking about Ubuntu. It's not hard to use. It's just slightly different to Windows. Just the same with Mac OS X.
I was amazed when my brother came home with his powerbook (which he'd had for a good few days) and didn't understand alot of stuff about Mac OS X. How to install software. How to get stuff off the tray thing... Simple things like that.
And it's not because Mac OS X is hard to use, it's just because it's not the same as Windows, the only operating system he's used to. If the laptop was running ubuntu, he'd have similar problems (installing software anyhow). And it's not because Ubuntu is hard to use either.
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