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worker201:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Will do. Even if I wasn't all-that impressed by one article I read by him (I think you can guess which one that was).
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His "how to ask questions" article is kinda abrasive. But trust me, ESR is a giant among men. He's one of the guys that got me interested in Linux in the first place.
solo:
Ehk, I haven't read this whole post but I already see untruths. People have said the GPL wasn't designed for the programmer, but it was! It was designed so that programmers had a way to share their work without people taking it and using it in closed programs. Because that's illegal, and I just as much as any GPL programmer would sue the shit out of someone if I found my code in a closed app. We get pissed, because they don't follow the rules we gave them to use our software. Just like Microsoft gets pissed when we pirate Windows XP (5 no 6 times each!).
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: worker201 ---His "how to ask questions" article is kinda abrasive. But trust me, ESR is a giant among men. He's one of the guys that got me interested in Linux in the first place.
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I watched that 'Revolution OS' film by him, it was pretty good. After watching it, I set out to read the cathedral and the bazaar, but it was longer than I expected.
Reading it now though.
--- Quote from: solo ---People have said the GPL wasn't designed for the programmer, but it was! It was designed so that programmers had a way to share their work without people taking it and using it in closed programs. Because that's illegal, and I just as much as any GPL programmer would sue the shit out of someone if I found my code in a closed app. We get pissed, because they don't follow the rules we gave them to use our software. Just like Microsoft gets pissed when we pirate Windows XP (5 no 6 times each!).
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You're probably talking about:
--- Quote from: me ---The GPL was designed for the benefit of the software and not it's owners, that is true.
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And you're right.
I guess what I should've said is "The GPL was designed for the benefit of the owners and the software (unlike the MS EULA and friends)".
ksym:
--- Quote from: toadlife ---And of the software's you mentioned , only SDL is licensed under the GPL - and it's actually the LGPL. The rest are released under BSD-like licenses.
If your primary goal is adoption of software, then the GPL is not really the best choice.
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Yeah, I guess you are right.
Maybe GPL works better on the runtime-platform level. Like most GNU/Linux distributions are GPL or LGPL. On single projects, like Apache, GPL might be for the worse ...
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---They've learned so much about electronics and they can't learn how to use a simple program...
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Of course we can but we'd rather pay some money and use Protel, we just draw the schematic into the editor, then it can be simulated and providing we give it the correct design rules it can place and route the PCB for us.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---What do you mean by "stealing"?
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Other companies using the from it and profiting from it as a result.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---In what way does any specific non-free software licence stop people from using it without paying for it?
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It doesn't stop people from pirating it, but it means they can be forced to pay a penalty if they get caught.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---WTF?
The licence itself is copyright by the FSF. Whatever you write is copywrite by you and licenced under whatever version of the GPL (assuming that's what you chose) you chose.
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From the GPL
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To protect your rights, we need to make restrictions that forbid anyone to deny you these rights or to ask you to surrender the rights. These restrictions translate to certain responsibilities for you if you distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it.
For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.
We protect your rights with two steps: (1) copyright the software, and (2) offer you this license which gives you legal permission to copy, distribute and/or modify the software.
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Am I misinterpreting this or does (1) not mean they take the copyright for the software? If so I'm sorry.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---What fucking "totalitarian policy" am I describing?
No, I never mentioned forcing anything on any-fucking-body.
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Good.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---I believe that non-free software is a problem, so I will avoid it, bash it and whatever, and support free software instead.
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That's fair enough - you're entitled to your opinion.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Just like if you believe Microsoft is a problem, you avoid it (well obviously you don't),
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Yes, I do avoid MS software when ever it's practical.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---bash it and whatever, and support the alternatives to Microsoft products.
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Yes, I support OpenOffice, Firefox and Thunderbird but this doesn't mean I won't be honest and admit some non-MS software has its disadvantages in some areas.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Don't say GPL when you mean free software, it makes no sense.
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Alrighte you do have a point there.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---The fact that all the free software is better for me than the non-free alternatives is just a bonus. I'd still be using Firefox even if Opera cost nothing to buy, had no banner ads and simply kicked the shit outta Firefox.
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This is where you and I have our main differances and it's were you'd fall down if you ran a business or large organisation.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin --- And in the future, I might accidentally try them and fall in love with them, but I won't ever use them full-time solong as I can help it.
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I find it quite sad that you would let some hippy idealistic vision get in the way of using the software you truly love and suits all of your needs.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---And when they do decide "their creation's fate", and it's a big mess of restrictions, I believe that everybody should (by their own choice) avoid that software, like I do and will continue to do.
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I'd rather live in the real world and have full control of my code thank you.
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