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piratePenguin:

--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---Other companies using the from it and profiting from it as a result.
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If they infringe the licence, then you can sue them. And if the don't, you'll just have to do better.

--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---From the GPL


Am I misinterpreting this or does (1) not mean they take the copyright for the software? If so I'm sorry.
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The FSF/GNU don't own Linux. Linus Torvalds and a whole load of other people own Linux.

That's only part of the preamble anyhow.
It is quite confusing. The FSF/GNU don't (can't?) copyright your software. Maybe it's there because they do copyright their software and the GPL was written for their software.
Or maybe it's because e.g. whenever I read linux/COPYING, and I read "we protect your rights by..." it's as if the Linux people are talking to the end-user.

--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---I find it quite sad that you would let some hippy idealistic vision get in the way of using the software you truly love and suits all of your needs.
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If the software that suits all my needs happens to be owned by a bunch of assholes who are only interested in making money and try to restrict me in every way imaginable, I'll develop an alternative (and generally there always are good alternatives to use/develop).

If I was to start supporting a non-free product, like anyone who dislikes Microsoft would support Microsoft, I/you would be supporting something that even myself/youself see as evil. So.....

"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and
  decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it
  means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system       with
  his or her whole soul."     -Mahatma Gandhi

--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---I'd rather live in the real world and have full control of my code thank you.
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Hm?
The thing is, you always would have full control of your code regardless of how many other people there are out there like me.

piratePenguin:

--- Quote from: ksym ---Like most GNU/Linux distributions are GPL or LGPL.
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A distribution is just a set of packages which use alot of different licences.

--- Quote from: ksym ---On single projects, like Apache, GPL might be for the worse ...
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Linux is a single project, and it's licenced under the GPL.
The Apache licence is alot like the GPL.

Jenda:
The thing is, IMO, that rewards should only come for commodities, and services, both of which require labor. I do not consider SW a commodity. If you're a programmer, you should, and still can using the GPL, recieve your cash as:
1)wage - in the case that you are employed (long-term) by a company that pays you to develop specific SW for them. Case Linus Torvalds, OSDevLabs. The company gains their $$$ from 2), 3), 4) and 5).
2)fees for tailor-ordered SW - if you develop SW for people with specific needs on a pay-per-developed-program basis. My sister's husband made a ton of cash that a company payed him TO develop a database system to suit their needs.
3)sales - nice-and-colourful media containing your SW, documentation and other, unrelated merchandise.
4)services - installation, support, registering to a network, a periodic update service (i.e. antivirus SW), etc.
5)donations

The actual usage of software doesn't cause you any more work - and therefore doesn't entitle you to a greater reward.
Now IF you choose GPL, as so many people have already done, you ensure that your program has a future: the more successful it gets, the more people will be willing to contribute. If you're mega-successful, some people might even pay you to develop your baby full time (Linus).
...

Aloone_Jonez:

--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---If they infringe the licence, then you can sue them.
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That's the same if they any infringe any other licence agrement.

--- Quote from: piratePenguin --- And if the don't, you'll just have to do better.
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What the fuck?
Suppose I write a program and decide to sell it for

Kintaro:
Yeah, they can take your code and follow the GPL, that is the whole bloody point of the GPL. It is there to protect code and more programmers than just yourself. It is there to protect the community. If a bigger cometitor decided to use some GPL code and release it again under the GPL it is perfectly within their right and done often. Because it isn't about competition, it is about sharing. It is the exact opposite.

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