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gnu=borg - discuss
skyman8081:
If you don't share everying, then you are HOARDING and STEALING important peices of code. That if you just GPL'ed them, they would magically become 100000 times better.
Aloone_Jonez:
Well I'm a satan incarnate because I've not GPL'd that old Connect 4 game I wrote in QBASIC many years ago. I really wish I'd GPL'd it as it would've become a super fast state of the art game with real time 3D graphics, be voice activated and be able to learn from it's mistakes too.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---But you don't make fuck all if all your profit has gone to someone else who has used your code for their gain.
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That's competition.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---Brilliant, shame about loosing all your customers to Redhat, too bad.
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And YOU
LOST.
Shame is right.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---Think about it, the GPL removes the right for you keep your code private and not share it.
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Well ain't thata bitch!
Think about what you just said. You might learn one of the many reasons so many people love (and hate) the GNU GPL.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---Don't be so pig ignorant, either answer my question or don't comment at all.
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Don't be so pig ignorant, either answer my question or don't comment at all.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---You obviously have no idea of how big Protel is then read as big as Windows.
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That BIG?! Whoa. Well, we'll see...
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---Don't be so pig ignorant, either answer my question or don't comment at all.
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Don't be so pig ignorant, either answer my question or don't comment at all.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---So it's alright for a company to make a profit from making films but it's wrong for them to profit from proprietary software.
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WHAT
THE
FFFFUCK!
We're not talking about profits or wealth or communism or totalitarian or some other crap. We're (at least I am) talking about LICENSES.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---non-free softare! is this a typo or is it a change of heart?
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Neither. WTF? :confused:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---No steal my ideas, stupid.
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And how are they gonna do that? Stupid.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---How does it make them evil?
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Because the licenses they use don't fit the free software definition as written by GNU, because they restrict the end-user in alot of evil ways.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---Would you apply the same logic to music films and other art forms?
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No. I've wasted enough time on this thread only to be mis-interpreted or to have other bullshit like COMMUNISM, TOTALITARIAN POLICY and all sorts of other bullcrap brought up, and I dunno where the FUCK it comes from.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---How does ohms law have any relation to copyrights, he discovered something you can't copyright a discovery can you?
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I guess not.
But when you think about it, what he did wasn't all that different to writing a piece of software. You think, discover something, and write it down.
"Buy rights to Ohm's law" "Buy rights to a series of ones and zeros".
OK that is quite stupid. Forget it.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: skyman8081 ---piratePenguin, when you grow up, and get out of high school.
Maybe then you will see that not every solution works for the same person. And that people hate blind crusading.
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This is a conversation about free software versus non-free software. Not Windows verus GNU/Linux.
I don't agree with non-free software, and I won't use it so long as I can help it. Just like anyone who doesn't like Microsoft would do the same, switch non-free software for Microsoft.
--- Quote from: skyman8081 ---I was a LOT like you when I was in your place.
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I doubt it. But even if you were, the fact that you fucked up doesn't necessarily mean that it's inevitable that I will.
--- Quote from: skyman8081 ---I genuinely believed what RMS said, then I grew up.
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You grew up?
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---That isn't always the case, Opera has more features than FireFox, MS Office has a grammar checker Ooo has none.
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That's because Microsoft and the Opera developers have alot of full-time developers.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---Well I'm a satan incarnate because I've not GPL'd that old Connect 4 game I wrote in QBASIC many years ago. I really wish I'd GPL'd it as it would've become a super fast state of the art game with real time 3D graphics, be voice activated and be able to learn from it's mistakes too.
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That'd be pretty sweet.
worker201:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---I don't agree with non-free software
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What the fuck does that mean? Personally, I don't agree with fish, Phish, or lawnmowers. But they exist nonetheless.
How about for just a moment we assume that there are 2 types of computer programs out there. Commodity programs and generaladvancementofcomputerscience programs. Commodity programs are no different than cars or forks - the creator sells them in order to recapture the investment in production. If you want to use commodity software, you pay cash and agree to their license. Assuming that you buy the whole capitalism/technocracy thing, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this. That other type, which needs a better name, is GNU/GPL/etc stuff, which is not produced for sale. I don't know what it's produced for, but it usually has something to do with ego, community, and practicality. The only reason there is even a license is to protect the code from being stolen by commodity software writers.
And let me tell you, Linus, RMS, ESR, Larry Wall, and all the others, are not poor. They get plenty of money from their day jobs. This whole Linux thing, if you boil it down to bare nothingness, is nothing more than a huge hobby, or kernel fanclub. Nothing wrong with that.
Personally, one of the main reasons I started using Linux was anti-capitalistic. A box of SuSE is only $30, after all. Now that I have the experience, I can see the quality difference and appreciate what the developers are trying to do. Of course somebody who uses Windows probably can't see that in the same way I do. And that's fine, whatever.
So sorry to be offtopic - this thread is really for Aloone_Jonez and Pirate Penguin to sling insults and try to outquote each other. I apologize for getting in the way.
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