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piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---My point still remains valid, if you want to sell your software purely for its commodity value then the the (L)GPL/BSD licences aren't for you but they are suited to developers or are not profit driven or who gain revenue by selling their support and services, in fact some developers just want thier code to be used, in which case they use the BSD licence.
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You can make money from free software - lots of people and companies do it.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---If Sun weren't allowed to release Java on Linux then they wouldn't have been allowed Star Office
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Star Office would still have existed, and they might well have released a free office suite. They could possibly have made Star Office free software, just so they could release it for GNU/Linux.
Anything could've happened, and it proves nothing.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---Then no, because I feel that free software lacks in some areas, (mainly games specialist engineering software and a word processor with a grammar checker) and no I don't feel all of these are due to the fact that proprietary software has made room for it. I'm not convinced that open source generates innovate software or better quality either, yes I'm aware of all the arguments for this and I respect them but I don't buy into them.
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Are you suggesting that non-free software is inherently better than free software?
I'd like to see more than anecdotal evidence for that!
skyman8081:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Are you suggesting that non-free software is inherently better than free software?
I'd like to see more than anecdotal evidence for that!
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No, that's just you pulling a strawman out of your ass.
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---You can make money from free software - lots of people and companies do it.
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Where did I say that?
If you read my post again I said it depends on your source of revenue, if it's purely from the software itself then an open source licence probably isn't for you but if it's purly from the services and support you're providing from it then it might be right up your street.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Star Office would still have existed, and they might well have released a free office suite. They could possibly have made Star Office free software, just so they could release it for GNU/Linux.
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It's possible I suppose but there again so are lots of things.
The main point is kicking proprietary software off GNU/Linux won't gain it any new users nor will it encourage people to develop innovitve new software for it, so I only can draw the conclusion that (apart from a very small minority who would only be pleased by this decision only on the gounds that they believe they might feel forced to use non-free software), the community as a whole will far be worse off without it.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Anything could've happened, and it proves nothing.
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Neither does your response.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Are you suggesting that non-free software is inherently better than free software?
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I didn't mean to imply this, all I was doing was highlighting areas where free software lacks or has completely missed altogether.
Notice how there is a great selection of games released under proprierary licences yet there are few free ones? an the same goes for engineering software.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---I'd like to see more than anecdotal evidence for that!
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I wasn't suggesting that but can you provide any strong evidence to prove otherwise?
I can't, all I can do is provide aguements to suggest why open source is supposed to be better but there again there is also no real hard evidence to back up these claims.
Orethrius:
--- Quote from: skyman8081 ---No, that's just you pulling a strawman out of your ass.
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Actually, given the respective speakers and their polarised opinions, the ONLY two statements that make ANY sense right there are either "FOSS is better than non-FOSS," or "non-FOSS is better than FOSS." Quid erat demonstratum, no "strawman" is to be had here. Die dulci freure. :p
skyman8081:
You know, having such a big stick up my ass, it does get sore after a while.
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