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Aloone_Jonez:
Interesting theory so basically even if I were to make an identical copy of you it won't remain identical for very long as it's living it'll change and become very differant to you. I'm sure that this it isn't possible possible, arranging simple atoms is quite easy, however I think the chaos theory will fuck things up quite nicely if you tried to clone anthing atom by atom.
--- Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H --- we could alter your genes to stop your programmed demise.
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This is a popular misonception about the ading process, your genes aren't programmed to destroy themselves infact it's quite the opposite (if it were that simple then altering them to make you live for ever would've already been done). The mechanism behind the ageing process isn't fully understood but when your cells replicate themselves there are imperfections in the coppy (some genetic information is lost) and it's the build up of this damage that causes aging, your DNA has various safe gaurds to help prevent this and the better they are the longer you live for.
Edit:
I neglected to mention that the enviromental conditions affect adging more than anything else as it's the enviroment that's responsiple for inflicting the genetic damage in the first place but my origional point still remains valid, it's the ability or the cells to withstand and prevent this damage that helps you live longer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senescence
worker201:
--- Quote from: "H_TeXMeX_H" ---1) Say we have a machine that will perfectly clone you, it can build you atom by atom to an exact replica of you in all possible ways ... it's not impossible, we have crude molecular assemblers that can build nanotubes and stuff like that.
Question is ... is that clone you ? Obviously not ... as soon as the clone is built you wont somehow be able to control both yourself and your clone, so your clone, although perfectly identical to you in every way is not you.
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--- Quote from: "H_TeXMeX_H" ---2) Say we have another machine that can map all the atoms in your body in their particular locations, then disintegrate you into all your component atoms, and then rebuild you back into yourself ...
Will this be you ? If everything is put in the right place, it must be you, well who else could it be ? Would this process destroy who you are ? I argue it won't ... after all you are just an elaborate arrangement of atoms.
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These 2 statements are contradictory. In both cases, the resulting body is exactly the same as the original you. If you don't see how this is true, think of the rebuilding machine as making a copy of you, while destroying the original. If I take one hydrogen atom from you and replace it with a hydrogen atom from a bottle of Sprite, will that change you? Not in any significant way. So it isn't the atoms themselves, it's their configuration. And any configuration of atoms that adds up to you is you.
Point being that a copy of you is still you, from a chemistry standpoint. Just like a photocopy of a piece of paper is a piece of paper. Fortunately, this small problem doesn't affect your conclusions, that there is a statistical possibility that 'you' can exist again someday.
noob:
This damn thread lol. All the stuff i often just think about. Whats the point in religion. How did everything start. What happens after death.
How many religions are there? They all want you to beleiev different things and all believe there is one god, but each god is different. I don't deny the existance of "God", but I dont believe there is a god either. I am open minded about almost anything. I believe M$ is a bad company, but if somone offers me proof to proove otherwise, I may change my mind.
How did the universe(s) begin? Okey, so if god created everything becuase the energy/matter antimatter clouds/large fart couldn't have just allways existed, then why can a god have allways existed? There is proof everywhere then there was some kind of explosion. Static on tv's and radio's is the left over radio waves from a big explosion. The fact that things in the universe are moving apart, but are very slowley loosing speed. All points to an explosion.
What happens after death? I have often wonderd, but don't want to find out just yet. I find it hard to believe that we just dissapear, because really, all a persons mind is is a load of electrical impulses. Electricity is an energy and energy can niether be created, or destroyed, mearly converted into other forms.
I say believe what the hell you want to, don't let any one else tell you what you can and can't believe, or can and can't do to show your belief's. I was baptized, all the usual religious stuff. Went to church in primary school. I don't believe in an all powerfull god, well maybe Tux. Thats my rather odd say on stuff.
H_TeXMeX_H:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez --- I think the chaos theory will fuck things up quite nicely if you tried to clone anthing atom by atom.
This is a popular misonception about the ading process, your genes aren't programmed to destroy themselves infact it's quite the opposite (if it were that simple then altering them to make you live for ever would've already been done). The mechanism behind the ageing process isn't fully understood but when your cells replicate themselves there are imperfections in the coppy (some genetic information is lost) and it's the build up of this damage that causes aging, your DNA has various safe gaurds to help prevent this and the better they are the longer you live for.
Edit:
I neglected to mention that the enviromental conditions affect adging more than anything else as it's the enviroment that's responsiple for inflicting the genetic damage in the first place but my origional point still remains valid, it's the ability or the cells to withstand and prevent this damage that helps you live longer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senescence
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Chaos theory is my favorite theory, but I assure you that there are work-arounds for chaos theory impeding the precise cloning of an object ... but that's not the point ... it's just a thought experiment, the point is to help grasp the concepts behind my theory, not to clone people atom by atom, nor to make people live forever (yeah it isn't easy, and I don't agree with it either, I mean what is the world population ? 6,478,021,029 and counting) :)
--- Quote from: worker201 ---These 2 statements are contradictory. In both cases, the resulting body is exactly the same as the original you. If you don't see how this is true, think of the rebuilding machine as making a copy of you, while destroying the original. If I take one hydrogen atom from you and replace it with a hydrogen atom from a bottle of Sprite, will that change you? Not in any significant way. So it isn't the atoms themselves, it's their configuration. And any configuration of atoms that adds up to you is you.
Point being that a copy of you is still you, from a chemistry standpoint. Just like a photocopy of a piece of paper is a piece of paper. Fortunately, this small problem doesn't affect your conclusions, that there is a statistical possibility that 'you' can exist again someday.
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Yes, I agree, the copy would techincally be 'you', but only in the sense that one piece of paper is a photocopy of another ... although they are identical photocopies of one another they are not the same piece of paper :thumbup:
Note: this is just a theory after all ... no need to believe it, but it holds well with the rest of em, and it even has some quasi-logical proof behind it :)
As for: How did the universe(s) begin?
I can't help but answer this question ...
Answer: It didn't
Jack2000:
If they say that the hole f* kin human race began with just two people
are not we "banging" our "sisters and brothers" ??
wtf is that ??
are they stupid or something
that religion is BUGed
i bet Bill is to blame ... ahem i mean god
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