Windows Sucks

[Aloone_Jonez]

Here's an amusing quote from Dave Cutler:

"I won't pollute it [NT] with crap!" -- Cutler to Bill Gates

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cutler

[Jenda]

First time I came across that (I tend to stay away from opensource.org), and it's bloodey interesting.
Would make a good feature article.

 What's wrong with os.com?
Are you referring (wrong word...) to the differences between the Open Source community and the Free Software one?
(BTW, just asking. I am on GNU's side. For me, Freedom itself is much more important than the source code - that is just a prerequisite.)

[Jenda]

"(...) I had a rubber stamp made that proclaimed 'Size Is the Goal' and proceeded to stamp every last bit of correspondence to make sure that all the programmers and project managers understood" -- David Cutler

[toadlife]

DOH!

You didn't even bother to point out the fact that I accidentally typed  "Bill Cutler" instead of "Dave Cutler"

I corrected my post above.

[piratePenguin]

What's wrong with os.com?
Are you referring (wrong word...) to the differences between the Open Source community and the Free Software one?

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html

I don't hang around opensource.com much.
Everyone's talking about "open source" rather than "free software", and I think that makes the free software movement weaker, in a way.

[Jenda]

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html

I don't hang around opensource.com much.
Everyone's talking about "open source" rather than "free software", and I think that makes the free software movement weaker, in a way.

 I agree with you there. I think a big problem is that Free Software DOES make ppl think of free beer. People understand Open Source much better. (BTW i already read that. If I have the time, I will read the whole GNU website through :-).)
The fact remains, though, that GNU.org does NOT show you the Hallowe'en docs...

[piratePenguin]

I think a big problem is that Free Software DOES make ppl think of free beer. People understand Open Source much better.

Yep, I agree.

(BTW i already read that. If I have the time, I will read the whole GNU website through :-).)

Goodluck!
I haven't read the half of even the philosophy (every now and again I browse through it and pick something to read), some of the GNU humor on it is unreal funny though.

The fact remains, though, that GNU.org does NOT show you the Hallowe'en docs...

Yup.

[toadlife]

The halloween docs were not exactly earth shattering. If anything they show that Microsoft 'got it' when it came to Open Source.

They were written back when Microsoft's main server platform was WinNT4. As someone who has run a large network which went from NT4 to 2000 and will be moving to 2k3 in the next year or so, I have seen the quality of Microsoft's server products increase dramatically over the last five years.

I can thank the healthy competiton that linux/open source brought for that.


Another thing. You guys really shouldn't read these docs at Opensource.org. They are littered with EXTREMELY biased commentary from OSS zealots.

This quote from the commentary is my favorite:

"Instead, Microsoft has been trying to sandbag Linux with supposedly "objective" studies by third parties that turn out to have been bought and paid for by the boys in Redmond."

Biased studies, like this study, which showed NT4 pantsing linux in a head to head performance comparision? The first time they ran the comparison a bunch of linux fans claimed it was biased, so Mindcraft allowed them to come in and tweak the linux server any way they wished. They then ran the benchmark again and the results were the same. NT4 squashed linux.

[WMD]

Linux file- and Web-server performance appears to be bottlenecked in the operating system kernel, not in Samba or Apache. This was demonstrated best when the Red Hat engineers ran the Zeus Web server. Zeus performance topped out at about the same place as Apache, using fewer resources. The major performance problems are with the TCP stack, which is single threaded in the 2.2.x Linux kernels, and with large-grained kernel locks that degrade multiprocessor performance. The Linux community is addressing these performance problems and others in their 2.3.x kernel series.

Thank god, that was...ages ago.

[skyman8081]

I'm not too sure on this, but has anybody taken the time to prove that the Halloween docs did, in fact, come from Microsoft.  I'd like to believe that they do originate from MS, but I can't be sure.

[toadlife]

Thank god, that was...ages ago.

Indeed, and it is irrelevant today, as linux has come a long way since then, but the commentary I quoted was referring to studies that were done during that time (~1999).

[WMD]

Yeah.  I never knew 2.2.x was so shitty...

[Jenda]

I'm not too sure on this, but has anybody taken the time to prove that the Halloween docs did, in fact, come from Microsoft.  I'd like to believe that they do originate from MS, but I can't be sure.

 Microsoft itself authorised them. Good enough?