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worker201:
Well, since we're on the topic, let's talk about Nirvana.

their first album "Bleach" cost $600 to record.

their second album "Nevermind" cost probably $60,000 to record.

Why are the cds of these albums both the same price?  Because the record company makes enough profit off of smashes like "Nevermind" to pay themselves back for the loss they take on "Alanis Morrisette sings the hits of the 40s".  But that's really their problem, right?

All I'm saying is that, economically speaking, the music industry is fucked up.  The way things are currently done is wrong, and total piracy is wrong too.  Somewhere in the middle is common ground where everyone wins, but both sides are too stubborn to give anything up.  And it seems like nobody is talking about how things could be improved - all they are concerned with is fighting.  Let's be smarter than that and discuss a better solution.

Annorax:
It's a fucking shame that ordering this thing in the US will be good for a prison term longer than most murderers get.

Jack2000:
piracy forevaaaaa

:p :p ;p :p ;P



ahem just kidding
i must have one of those
interesting ... where did the "lama" came from
could it be related to wina* ups
it is (C) now ... sh*t

H_TeXMeX_H:

--- Quote from: Kintaro ---Thats what piracy, hence STEALING is numbnuts.
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I disagree ... Stealing is depriving someone of their property. P2P networks involve sharing files amongst neighbors, much like if your neighbor would ask to borrow a movie or game or music CD from you. Piracy isn't all that appropriate either ... what is a pirate ... someone who comendeers a vessel or vehicle by force ... there is no force involved in internet piracy. These words are used incorrectly by large companies in order to make it seems as if these activities are wrong.

Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with making a copy of and storing a movie or game or anything that can be downloaded from a peer ... a 'neighbor' ... yes neighbors are often assholes, but not if they give you free stuff. Of course mass distribution of copywrited material is illegal, but why is sharing this copywrited material with 'peers' illegal ? I think they are going too far. So what, the artists loose a couple thousand dollars ... they were gonna blow it on drugs and alcohol anyway, possibly overdosing and dieing ... I'd say you did them a service ... they should be paying you :D

And yes everything and everyone is corrupt ... they steal from you, you steal from them, they lie to you, you lie back, everything and everyone is full of shit ... so what can you do ? Keep the cycle going, hey if they don't stop I sure as hell won't :D

worker201:

--- Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H ---I disagree ... Stealing is depriving someone of their property. P2P networks involve sharing files amongst neighbors, much like if your neighbor would ask to borrow a movie or game or music CD from you. Piracy isn't all that appropriate either ... what is a pirate ... someone who comendeers a vessel or vehicle by force ... there is no force involved in internet piracy. These words are used incorrectly by large companies in order to make it seems as if these activities are wrong.
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You are correct about the term pirate, that is a phrase used for fear-mongering.  Even though stealing is depriving someone of their property, it still applies to warez.  The licensing agreements for software and music specifically state that they are just loaning you the songs, and you don't in any way or form "own them".  Therefore, giving them to your neighbors is illegal, putting them on the web is illegal, and making backup copies for your own use is also illegal. Actually, it is different than stealing, it is more like vandalism, since you are deliberately misusing someone else's property.


--- Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H ---Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with making a copy of and storing a movie or game or anything that can be downloaded from a peer ... a 'neighbor'
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Well, neither do I.  And I also think it is pretty sad that we have this whole huge system in place for people to sell and resell all this crap, even though you never truly own it.  But hey, it isn't up to you or me.  It's these huge media corporations, with bigger bankrolls than Norway, pissing and moaning about everything.  Do you know that the audio cassette tape was delayed by a number of years, because it could allow a person to make a copy of an LP?  And the VCR was delayed too, because it was feared that people would use it to tape TV shows, and fast-forward thru the commercials.  Those things seem like the most natural and useful applications, yet they were once considered theft and/or piracy.  Point being that the giant media companies will always have some whine about what they need, and they have the money to make it so.


--- Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H ---And yes everything and everyone is corrupt ... they steal from you, you steal from them, they lie to you, you lie back, everything and everyone is full of shit ... so what can you do ? Keep the cycle going, hey if they don't stop I sure as hell won't :D
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That's the shittiest attitude I have heard in a long time.

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