Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: Pathos on 14 July 2006, 00:27
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I'm typing this now from xubuntu dapper live running on my hard drive ... I may be (probably not though) the first to ever do this :)
Took a bit of work as ubuntu live stops booting if it doesnt detect your cdrom (I have a cdrom less Dell L400 laptop). So I had to extract the initrd.gz, hack the scripts to mount my partition on /cdrom and skip the cdrom stuff.
Recompressing the cpio archive caught me out as you need to specify the right format.
Speed wise its brilliant (500mhz+256MB ram). Only wish it came with OO.org like breezy did. Takes a while to boot though.
Better still I'm connected on my 802.11b wireless network through my home server in turn connected to the router.
...I need a life :P
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god I love xfce. and ubuntu really flies with a decent gpu.
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Not sure about xubuntu, dubuntu, or any other buntu, but regular ubuntu's live cd is flawed as an install cd, which is what is now offered as the default. It runs out of memory @ install when you have 256mb or less. But other than its dead cd, Ubuntu is quite nice.
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I did notice it was edging into my swap memory.
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<---------------Only has 256 MB RAM and Ubuntu installed smoothly and perfectly for me...
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Did you install it from within the live system or from the front menu?
any swap partitions?
I don't like the idea of installing from the live CD anyway.
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But wouldn't you only have problems when you're installing *and* running loads of other crap like OOo etc.?
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I installed from the Live CD (DVD actually). I hadn't even set up HD partitions yet. I was geting annoyed with hos slow the Livecd was, and said...what the hell, install it anyway. It went into the installation GUI, asked some questions, then the next thing I know...POW Ubuntu is up and running.
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Alright, dammit, I'm going to try it. Currently downloading Ubuntu 6.06 for PC and for Mac. Going to see how well the live cd works with my trusty old G3 this weekend. Probably get around to playing with the PC version next week.
Also, just for kicks, I'm attempting to download Vector again.
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damnet :P
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Gotta install it on my Semp64 box, was waiting for the Automatix script to be done up for 64 bit comps. Cause I've been using Breezy with Automatix on my old P4 for months now and it's really kicking ass. I converted 2 ppl to linux with Ubuntu+Automatix.
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Not sure about xubuntu, dubuntu, or any other buntu, but regular ubuntu's live cd is flawed as an install cd, which is what is now offered as the default. It runs out of memory @ install when you have 256mb or less. But other than its dead cd, Ubuntu is quite nice.
Yeah, but isn't there a text mode installer in the alt CD?
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Hey, Duo, what's this? The Automatix list says not to install these if you live in the US.
23a) Installs NON-FREE audio codecs - BD (386/ppc)
23b) Installs NON-FREE DVD codecs -BD (386/amd64/ppc)
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the codecs use compression/decompression algorithims patented or copyrighted in the USA because of their damn stupid intellectual property laws its illegal to use those codecs without paying a licence and/or its illegal for someone to distribute those codecs in the states without paying a royalty
:/
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I installed Xubuntu simply because I got pissed trying to compile GTK to compile the GIMP on FreeBSD. This is the first damn distro I've seen without GCC or any compiler for that matter. (http://forums.g4tv.com/i/ratingicons/mad.gif)
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I installed Xubuntu simply because I got pissed trying to compile GTK to compile the GIMP on FreeBSD. This is the first damn distro I've seen without GCC or any compiler for that matter. (http://forums.g4tv.com/i/ratingicons/mad.gif)
and that's a good thing ?
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I installed Xubuntu simply because I got pissed trying to compile GTK to compile the GIMP on FreeBSD. This is the first damn distro I've seen without GCC or any compiler for that matter. (http://forums.g4tv.com/i/ratingicons/mad.gif)
The average user doesn't require those tools (I bet it's the first distro with as many big packages on a single CD too?). If you want them install the build-essential package.
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But gcc is an all-essential tool in Linux ... without it, you can't compile anything (well anything C or C++) Don't tell me that they have binaries for everything, cuz they don't ... you're gonna end up having to compile some of it yourself.
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But gcc is an all-essential tool in Linux ... without it, you can't compile anything (well anything C or C++) Don't tell me that they have binaries for everything, cuz they don't ... you're gonna end up having to compile some of it yourself.
They don't have binaries for everything, they have binaries for what they believe to be enough.
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I'd really like an all-binary distro, but only if they have binaries for everything. I don't like compiling things cuz I've found that if you manage to compile something, it still may not work :( ... binaries on the other hand have been tested to work, and I've never had a binary not work on my system (assuming the dependencies were resolved correctly). Besides you usually need a lot more libraries to complie things that to run a binary (kind of a waste of space).
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The average user doesn't require those tools (I bet it's the first distro with as many big packages on a single CD too?). If you want them install the build-essential package.
I looked at the package manager and I saw that it claimed it was installed. It wasn't. Besides, I'm getting FreeBSD 6.1 and that should be the end of the problem.
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I looked at the package manager and I saw that it claimed it was installed. It wasn't. Besides, I'm getting FreeBSD 6.1 and that should be the end of the problem.
build-essential had a green box to the left of it? If so then that's a bug, and you should probably report it so the problem can be ended not just for yourself.
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sudo apt-get gcc or wateva is not that hard :/
The point of ubuntu is to make linux as accessible as possible and that includes making compilers unneccessary. its a good thing in my opinion.
it will still download it as a dependency if you download kernel headers or something.
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sudo apt-get gcc or wateva is not that hard :/
The problem is my tester PC(the one I test programs and new OSes on) is not connected to the internet. I keep my eCS machine on the net.
build-essential had a green box to the left of it? If so then that's a bug, and you should probably report it so the problem can be ended not just for yourself.
Doing it right now...
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Hey, Duo, what's this? The Automatix list says not to install these if you live in the US.
23a) Installs NON-FREE audio codecs - BD (386/ppc)
23b) Installs NON-FREE DVD codecs -BD (386/amd64/ppc)
Yah, I know, but when have I ever cared about the legality of anything, much less copyright law?
Will it work? Yes! Is it legal in the US? Don't know, don't care. Is it safe? Seems so, been using it for months without a hitch.
I've heard of noone yet that has had their door kicked in for getting the codecs so that they can watch freecontent online or wat they have in their collection of DVDs.
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As far as codecs go, I think the legal situation is that you can have them and use them, but you can't distribute them freely because of licensing issues. Of course that depends on who "owns" the codec and how vigorously they defend their rights.
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It's all legal in the EU anyhow, right (since there's no software patents)? Unless the codec isn't free software, but I think in general there are free codecs for most formats. (not sure about WMV)
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it's only illegal if you get caught ... that's what I always say :)
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it's only illegal if you get caught ... that's what I always say :)
Yeah, and Charlie never killed anyone, he only wished them dead and they were.
Illegal is illegal. If you do something illegal, then you should be prepared to accept the full penalties associated with your actions. If not, then you should leave it alone.
A respectable reputation and character is hard to build, difficult to maintain, easy to loose and impossible to get back...except for Anakin Skywalker.
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Illegal is illegal. If you do something illegal, then you should be prepared to accept the full penalties associated with your actions. If not, then you should leave it alone.
hmmmm, I always thought you were a realist/pragmatist. Most criminal activity seems to be completely divorced from consequences. Which is one of the reasons why the death penalty has not significantly lowered the murder rate.
Piracy For Personal Use (TM) seems to be more of a scofflaw attitude than anything else. Most people who borrow mp3s from their friends feel that they should be able to do it, fully knowing that they legally cannot. Additionally, Piracy For Personal Use (TM) doesn't seem to hurt anyone. When you give your friend a copy of a Metallica cd, Elecktra may lose $2, but it's not like you are taking $2 straight from their pockets.
Legally, it may be wrong, but I think there is a moral question involved in following laws that seem foolish and harmless. Digital rights management through codecs and plugins seems especially stupid. What did they expect me to do with that cd burner and that hi-speed internet connection?
To sum it all up in one question:
Should I have been prepared to face thousands of dollars in fines and possibly jail time before transcribing Sex Pistols lyrics in that other thread?
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And Elecktra would only lose money if the friend would otherwise have paid for the CD. Record companies like to exagerate this stuff, I'd say that's nearly worth a death penalty.
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This has always interested me, I don't think it's clear cut either way. If I copy a CD of a friend then instead of buying it then in a way I am stealing since I'm avoiding paying for it, but there again if I had no intention of buying it then they wouldn't be loosing anything. Overall I think copying copyrighted stuff should be illeagal but the harm done by piracy is grossly exacurated, if it became legal then one person would pay and everyone else would copy so they wouldn't make any money.
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if it became legal then one person would pay and everyone else would copy so they wouldn't make any money.
OF COURSE!
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And let's not forget that millions of people are still going to the movies, renting movies, buying dvds, buying cds, and seeing bands perform live. It's not like Elecktra is going broke.
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They want money, lots and lots of money, and if you won't let them have it then you'll go to prison/jail + heavy fines ! muhahhahaaa
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It's not that at all. Maybe I should have bolded SHOULD in that statement to emphasise the critical word in the proclamation.
It doesn't matter how you or I see it. It doesn't matter how you or I feel about it.
It doesn't matter whether you or I see harm in it or not.
The fact is simple. The law as it is right now says it is illegal.
That's what I was saying. Regardless of what you feel, believe or think, it is still illegal. Any time you CHOOSE to break the law, even if it is out of principle, you should be prepared to accept the consequences. For gods sake, were discussing pirating DVD's and music, not international drug smuggling, crack dealing, homocide or mass slayings. Either way, the principle is still the same.
And, because I feel a bit of a smart ass...
If I copy a CD of a friend
Damnit, and my dvd burner only works on disks, yours apparently clones people...