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Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: cahult on 2 December 2002, 04:41: It seems our "darlings" in Redmond, Washington decided it was too dear for them to make that lovely little item called X-box in the US so they moved it to Hungary. That where and when trouble started for MS. Sales didn
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: choasforages on 2 December 2002, 04:53: yeah, its pathitec, all these people saying that Microsoft is the american way, we need them, they make jobs and money. too bad people don't hear too much about this, when i show my dad this, hes probably going to go nuckin futs./*he does not like the country of china much, has a damn good theory about them, and the outsourcing of all our labor, maybe i can get him to post it*/
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: Annorax on 2 December 2002, 07:11: Microsoft, the American way???? someone better pass me that crack bowl, it needs to go away!!!!!

Seriously, if Microsoft and Walmart were removed from the face of the earth life would be 99.9% perfect...
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: cahult on 5 December 2002, 17:40: One more scary part of this is the fact that while Flextronics keeps the chinese working like hell, the "brain work" is in Sweden. Yes, the thinking behind X-box is in my country! Here, they are supposed to come up with new ideas for the "black ugly box".

It looks a lot like the makers of clothes. Nike, Adidas and other companies like them have factories in Asia where CHILDREN are sewing and cutting. The clothes are then shipped off to another (richer) country where they sew the brand name on. All in the name of profit...
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: mobrien_12 on 6 December 2002, 07:44: This is a really stupid move, and not only from the human rights and Chineese "slave" labor perspective or the screw the US economy perspective. From what I have read, one of the serious problems XBOX has had is reliability and quality control.

China does NOT make high quality goods.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: cahult on 28 December 2002, 19:33: Maybe George Bush should turn his attention towards China instead of poor Iraq. Saddam, who
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: Refalm on 29 December 2002, 14:52: No... the United States does good trading with China, so they'd really think it over a hundred times before attacking China.

Now Iraq on the other hand... they sell oil to the United States at a very high price. Luckily for Bush, a dictator is ruling the country, so he can just attack it in the name of democracy and make Iraq a US loving country.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: cahult on 29 December 2002, 21:59: But when will democracy come to the US? ;)
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: Refalm on 29 December 2002, 23:29: It did. George Wasington introduced it, but it was destroyed in the US a few decades later.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: cahult on 2 January 2003, 00:51: The main foe to democracy is companies and business and their practices. :(
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: Stryker on 2 January 2003, 02:21: I believe we are actually a republic, taking a lot of our ideas from the romans. not a very smart thing i think... considering their fall and everything. democracy was just an idea that passed.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: RudeCat7 on 2 January 2003, 07:21: quote:
Seriously, if Microsoft and Walmart were removed from the face of the earth life would be 99.9% perfect.

Exactly....Walmart is a shithole of a store, and does not have the lowest prices. It just has a lot of sales because it's marketing targets /*ehem*/ the poor bastards of this country. I swear! When there are 300 people in the layaway line (saw it with my own eyes) ...you have a lot of fucked up people.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: cahult on 2 January 2003, 19:33: quote:
Originally posted by Stryker:
I believe we are actually a republic, taking a lot of our ideas from the romans. not a very smart thing i think... considering their fall and everything. democracy was just an idea that passed.

That
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: imthesponge on 24 January 2003, 16:06: quote:
Originally posted by Black & White Cat:
It just has a lot of sales because it's marketing targets /*ehem*/ the poor bastards of this country.

yea... tell me about it. I wouldn't hate wal-mart so much if they didn't have so many fucking annoying commercials...

[ January 25, 2003: Message edited by: imthesponge ]
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: Refalm on 24 January 2003, 20:46: quote:
imthesponge: f*cking

Your not allowed to say "f*cking"... say "fucking" instead (http://tongue.gif)
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: cocoamix on 24 January 2003, 22:46: quote:
Originally posted by The Rev. Annorax:
Microsoft, the American way???? someone better pass me that crack bowl, it needs to go away!!!!!

Seriously, if Microsoft and Walmart were removed from the face of the earth life would be 99.9% perfect...

Can we add Starbucks to that list too?
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: ravuya on 27 January 2003, 06:14: Not to be pro-MS in this situation, but you have to think about where the other companies put their shit together.

The microchips inside your machines are probably built in some third-world nation where they treat people just as bad. Apple used to have a manufacturing plant (dunno if they still do) in Malaysia, with pretty rotten working conditions.

FYI, Dell assembles their kit in the States using prison labor.

Just wanted to bring up some points here before you accuse Microsoft of exploiting cheap third-world labor; because, to be honest, damn near every company in North America and Europe does it.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: cahult on 27 January 2003, 12:34: quote:
Originally posted by Ravuya:
Not to be pro-MS in this situation, but you have to think about where the other companies put their shit together.

The microchips inside your machines are probably built in some third-world nation where they treat people just as bad. Apple used to have a manufacturing plant (dunno if they still do) in Malaysia, with pretty rotten working conditions.

FYI, Dell assembles their kit in the States using prison labor.

Just wanted to bring up some points here before you accuse Microsoft of exploiting cheap third-world labor; because, to be honest, damn near every company in North America and Europe does it.

My point exactly. All big corporations have some skeletons to bring forth. So, Dell is using inmates to make their computers? Maybe
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: Calum on 29 January 2003, 16:18: quote:
Originally posted by cocoamix:

Can we add Starbucks to that list too?

nestle too. they are responsible for so many human rights atrocities it doesn't bear thinking about them. a boycott and flood of letters their way would help too.

Oh yes, we can add glaxo-smithkline-beecham, gillette and colgate palmolive too since they all test on animals, which is unnecessary in this day and age and is totally unwarranted when the products concerned are purely cosmetic.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: billy_gates on 30 January 2003, 04:42: Lets look at this from their perspective.

"Lets make XBox's in Mexico, if we did that we could lose even more money, hey Bill, whaddaya think?"

Really guys. If I owned a huge multinational company I would exploit cheap labor as well. And so would all of you.

Moving on.....
I heard from a terrible source that income tax in sweden was terrible, and that some super rich people had as much as 90% tax rate. Just wanted to know if this was the truth, seeing there seems to be someone who claims to live in sweden that is participating in this ridiculous conversation.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: cahult on 30 January 2003, 13:43: Maybe that 90 % is a not-so-happy business man, there are very high tax rates here on those people
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: Calum on 30 January 2003, 14:13: that sounds like a fucking great idea! the day i hear about income tax rates that high for the stupidly rich, i will go out and celebrate. it's not hard to figure out why the higher income tax brackets are nowhere near as high as they should be, but i might move to sweden if that really is the case. if it were me i would make it 100% over a certain amount.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: Kintaro on 30 January 2003, 14:16: And now a gimp of the Microsoft logo
(http://users.bigpond.com/tate0/ms-nazi.gif)
(Made under china)
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: billy_gates on 31 January 2003, 03:34: quote:
Originally posted by cahult:
Maybe that 90 % is a not-so-happy business man, there are very high tax rates here on those people
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: KernelPanic on 31 January 2003, 03:38: Whats the point of 14 million ethiopians being on the brink of starvation...
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: billy_gates on 31 January 2003, 12:49: quote:
Originally posted by Tux:
Whats the point of 14 million ethiopians being on the brink of starvation...

I don't know, what is the point of them starving

Its not like any of the taxes I pay as a super rich swede will ever make it to them. It will either stay in the country or get spent by rich ethiopian leaders.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: Calum on 31 January 2003, 14:35: very true. what we need is some way to guarantee that aid money actually gets used to build schools and provide water pumps et c for those who really need it. then and only then will i feel good about donating to foreign aid. i always feel uneasy that the money will get entirely filched by people along the chain of supply and will end up in corrupt people's pockets and not being used for the things it was intended for.

They should set up whatever channel of protected supply as a priority so people know they can safely contribute to foreign aid charities et c.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: Kintaro on 31 January 2003, 17:12: If you care so much why not form your own charity.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: Calum on 31 January 2003, 17:49: that would be about as much use as starting my own religion.

but seriously folks, how would that help? it would divide people and also i myself would just be another charity with no way of reassuring people that their money was going to the right places. i don't think it's appropriate to put somebody down for suggesting that the system be improved so that poor people can get a better standard of living.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: cahult on 31 January 2003, 20:49: Here
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: billy_gates on 31 January 2003, 20:58: This is way off topic now but it should be. Microsoft uses cheap Chinese work just as every other gigantimous corporation does. For example McDonalds (all those dumbass toys are made in china). And the only reason that they are firing the guys at 25 is because the Chinese Communist government doesn't care about its people. That doesn't happen in America, you know why. I can tell you right off the bat it is not because of the corporations big hearts feeling for their individual workers. Its because our government doesn't allow it. And like my last post, why spend more money with chinese unions or spend less money by firing them when they can create a union. Makes perfect sense to me.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: red-lightning on 3 February 2003, 07:36: If Microsoft is the america way than america must not be doing well! I'm suprised they haven't crashed! :eek:

quote:
Originally posted by choasforages:
yeah, its pathitec, all these people saying that Microsoft is the american way, we need them, they make jobs and money. too bad people don't hear too much about this, when i show my dad this, hes probably going to go nuckin futs./*he does not like the country of china much, has a damn good theory about them, and the outsourcing of all our labor, maybe i can get him to post it*/
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: theangelofdeath69 on 28 April 2003, 16:37: thank god New Zealand doesn't have walmart or starbucks. we're happy with KMart, The Warehouse, and Muffin Break
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: chaizak on 8 May 2003, 19:34: I don't believe that China is a bad country, you say that they use their employees but do you now the population of China???
Do you now how much of them is unemployeed???
Let me tell you one thing although China has much larger population than your "democratic" USA their unemployed number is way bellow yours.

The only thing that I care at present is that Microsoft still looses from every xbox sold and that a good thing.
Title: How to make an X-box and throw democracy out the window at the same time
Post by: Calum on 8 May 2003, 21:52: still, china imposes a totalitarian regime of cruelty and suffering upon tibet does it not? for that i choose to believe that the chinese government should be deposed.