Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Hardware => Topic started by: VcdXposed on 20 July 2004, 21:29
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I havnt seen anything on this site about how microsoft is fucking people over with their Xbox system. I own an xbox and i like it, but lately its been fucking up. I got it 6 months ago and its already broken. After talking to numerous other people and checking forums i discovered its happened to ALOT of people. So i decided to find out what i can do about it. Microsoft gave me one option. Send it in and pay 100+ dollars to get it fixed. When all they have to do is clean the lens in their piece of crap xbox. I dunno what to think, there are tons of different problems with this xbox system... So i gotta say that microsoft is fucking people over on all fronts.......software AND videogames... FUCK MICROSOFT they fucked me over.
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Why is the lens dirty? It sounds like it was your fault.
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Moved.
Lounge -> Microsoft Hardware
Tue Jul 20 16:45:57 GMT 2004
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I certainly hope that the store provided some sort of warranty on that past the normal 90-days-so-we-can-cover-our-ass policy. If they did, all you have to do is take it in and say "it's defective, either fix it or give me one that works." It sounds audacious, but it works; especially if you DON'T bring up the details of the problem. Trust me - the less service knows, the better. ;)
On the other hand, if you have the gall to try it yourself (and void any warranties you may have in the process), let me know - I can walk you step-by-step through the process. A friend of mine gave me a repair guide a while back. The bottom line is that it's fairly straightforward; just don't. Lose. ANYTHING. ESPECIALLY the case screws.
[ July 20, 2004: Message edited by: Midnight Candidate ]
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the lens isnt dirty...thats what m$ has told people the problem could be, but i dont beleive that shit. They also told me it could be overheadted.....i highly doubt that aswell....The problem with my xbox orginated from xboxlive....a certain game i had would freeze when i go onto xbox live, then just recently it started not working, the whole machine....and its happened to countless others....now if u bought a computer and it stopped working 3-6 months later (m$ warranty void after 3) would u pay 70% of the price u paid to get it fixed, or would u buy a new one
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I opened it up to try and clean it, but that didnt work, and ya i voided my non existant warranty. Im not much for technical stuff but i might give it a shot (http://tongue.gif)
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run a DVD lens cleaning it it occasionally
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I was reading about the microsfot registry thing, how they wont help u at all.... man this is kinda the same thing because they say not to use any solutions or anything to clean ur games or xbox....
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microsoft put in a bunch of shitty hardware into some models, i think i got the shitty box.
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yeah, thompson drive.
those are the drives used in the very first batch's of the xboxen
later on it was discovered that they had problems after prolonged use (something very difficult to test for)
so MS switched to samsung, who makes better xbox drives. (and those play cd-r's as well!)
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Listen Every console has Versions, the xbox has versions 1 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 thats all. The thompson drives are crap I have on myself but for 90 bucks I replaced it with a samsung. I bet if you look for PS2 models you will get shocked at the amount you see. Please dont complain when your generation 1 Xbox or PS2 brakes its bound to happen. Just to add al little story of my own, I had a ver 1 xbox and its power supply busted (my fault) and the cd rom acted up like the thompson drive does (this is after 2years of use) and it broke. My ps2 broke the Power supply broke and it was a model that came out two years after the ps2 was out.
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yeah, thompson drive.
those are the drives used in the very first batch's of the xboxen
later on it was discovered that they had problems after prolonged use (something very difficult to test for)
my X box came out first day ok, and I used it for two years without a problem. now to do a test for I dunno how many days weeks months your not gonna find a porblem, at least if you know how to handle a system and its game disc's. dont act like Xbox is the only system to have problems in its first genaration system I mean look at the PS2 for christs Sake!
[ July 21, 2004: Message edited by: Hmph? ]
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So essentially MS wants to charge you $100 to refurbish your broken console, when you can buy a new one for $150.
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$100 for refurbishment...........sounds like a nice little scam to help M$ recoup the loss they made on every console.
But of course we know M$ would never do something devious like that ;) ;) ;)
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no they want you to buy a new one. What about sony they charge the same price for new game that Microsoft does, even thou they use cheaper discs(they could charge less for their game, because the price diffrence in Dual layer 9.8gb xbox discs is much more than the single layer 4.2gb disc that sony uses).
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$100 for refurbishment...........sounds like a nice little scam to help M$ recoup the loss they made on every console.
I would agree with your scam theory if Every X box anyone has owned broke, which is simply not true.
Also microsoft wants you to buy a new one, with a free two year warrenty that if your xbox ever fails you can get a new one free of charge, and this is for every time and any time you it breaks.
What about the Bs sony pulled when it said that a shipment of PS2s were lost, while they didnt raise the price, no photos were ever shown of the incident and they made people starve to get a console.
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yeah, Sony's hardware in all the playstations are an absolute POS.
PS3 sould be slot-loaded, so it can run sideways, and upside-down.
like the original Playstation should have been, to counter the skipping issues.
Sony's consoles are always plauged with problems.
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The way I see it, Microsoft is trying to force Nintendo, Sega, Sony, etc. out of the video game business with their crappy X-box... just like they did to Netscape with Internet Exploder. I'm trying to convince my friends to stay away from the X-box and everything else Microsoft-related.
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Humm.. I don't know what to say, I honustly Like the X-Box, I own all the system, Dreamcast, X-Box, Gamecube and PlayStation 2, I love them all, they all have positives and Negatives, Ps2 is built like crap, awsome games, backwards compatible, but built like shit, falls apart, I repaired over 10 of them, X-Box is built good in my opinion. I have no issues, but most games sucks, only reason I got it was for Halo and Dead Alive 3, but its built good, Gamecube, sucks allread except Resident Evil and Metroid Prime, its ugly, small and not the greatest, soooo overall I like them all, just have issues thats all, but X-Box is the Microsoft, which is the enemey :( oh well, I believe Apple should make a Video Game system, it would RULE! Apple GameMac GX hehe
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Originally posted by Pinkster:
Humm.. I don't know what to say, I honustly Like the X-Box, I own all the system, Dreamcast, X-Box, Gamecube and PlayStation 2, I love them all, they all have positives and Negatives, Ps2 is built like crap, awsome games, backwards compatible, but built like shit, falls apart, I repaired over 10 of them, X-Box is built good in my opinion. I have no issues, but most games sucks, only reason I got it was for Halo and Dead Alive 3, but its built good, Gamecube, sucks allread except Resident Evil and Metroid Prime, its ugly, small and not the greatest, soooo overall I like them all, just have issues thats all, but X-Box is the Microsoft, which is the enemey :( oh well, I believe Apple should make a Video Game system, it would RULE! Apple GameMac GX hehe
I bet your high school English teacher cries at night.
An Apple console would probably outright kill off the X-Box as competition, and make Sony and Nintendo seriously rethink their current strategies. While it would be Apple hardware, and thus the most expensive console on the market... it would definitely be worth the money, and I'd buy it.
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its not just with X-Box where this happens PS2 has the same problems
I have had two of them and the 1st was broken due to lens being dirty and despite using several cleaners it did not work thereafter
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Originally posted by David XP:
its not just with X-Box where this happens PS2 has the same problems
I have had two of them and the 1st was broken due to lens being dirty and despite using several cleaners it did not work thereafter
So basically, Microsoft and Sony both chose to use crappy DVD-ROM drives in their consoles. The difference is Microsoft's taking advantage of the situation.
I haven't opened or even owned either of these consoles, so I can't be sure of this. But wouldn't it be less expensive to simply replace the drive yourself than to send it in to some Borg reclamation center to have its crap-out meter reset?
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Originally posted by Annorax, Lemming Pathfinder:
So basically, Microsoft and Sony both chose to use crappy DVD-ROM drives in their consoles. The difference is Microsoft's taking advantage of the situation.
I haven't opened or even owned either of these consoles, so I can't be sure of this. But wouldn't it be less expensive to simply replace the drive yourself than to send it in to some Borg reclamation center to have its crap-out meter reset?
i would assume that the disks would have loads of antipiracy shit on them to keep people from using any "unauthorized" hardware.
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Originally posted by the stiller:
i would assume that the disks would have loads of antipiracy shit on them to keep people from using any "unauthorized" hardware.
If this were true, it wouldn't be possible to run Linux on an Xbox.
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Originally posted by Pinkster:
oh well, I believe Apple should make a Video Game system, it would RULE! Apple GameMac GX hehe
You haven't heard about Apple Pippin, have you?
Apple Pippin (http://www.theapplecollection.com/design/macproto/Pippin.html)
Apple Pippin Development Kit (http://www.baccarat-instructions.com/items/5112087424.html)
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I'm actually reasonably happy with the gaming performance of my xbox. But for anything else, it has always sucked shit. Not once has it been able to play an audio cd. It played dvds ok for a couple months, and then quit doing that. I think I have the Thompson drive. Anyway, never had a gaming problem in almost 3 years. Then again, I don't smoke up and game out everyday like some people do.
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Well my PS2 works fine after i bought it and I bought it used so IDK why you all have problems with them. My xbox one the other hand is um an interesting one. I originally got it solely for the use of a mobile linux computer. After a while i changed my mind on that for many reasons. Mostly cause of the crappy grpahics on a tv running linux. Damn 640x480 resolution and no nvidia drivers for it. Now I have switched it more to homebrew software after upgrading the hd in it. I still have plans to put linux back on it but not the sole use of it. And yah they do have some games that are crappy but they do have some I like which it is nice to be able to run those off the harddrive in it. Also I have become very familair with the contents of the xbox sicne i have opened it and started playing with it. To me it is just a normal pc for my tv.
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Ok... I knw this is a little late but somethin had to be said...
First off the Microsoft actually loses money on the console... which i belive was already said.
second... in the game industry and they are the easiest to work with they treat developers well. with sony they cant even supply us with simple hardware somtimes. The xbox is a extremely well built system and as with the lens issue it happens more often with ps2 than xbox. oh and as for the scam theory why would they bother they make alot of money off of games anyway in fact thats why they charge so little for the console and if systems breakdown... well 80% of people will just not use it 10% would buy a new one (more loss for microsoft) leaving only 10% of people that pay the 100 bucks to fix it... now knowin this does it sound like a scam to you?
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You actually really didn't need to say anything, as:
(a) he likely has a Thompson drive, and
(b) he repeatedly dismisses "the lens is dirty" as some straight line from Microsoft to avoid culpability, which indicates (at least to me) that
(c) he's after Microsoft for something that is actually a CONCEIVABLE problem that COULD be fixed by the end-user with a $10 CD (ridiculous though it may be).
Microsoft may have poor business practices, but that doesn't mean that they want to eat your soul every chance they get.
[ October 24, 2004: Message edited by: Midnight Candidate/BOB ]
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Originally posted by Midnight Candidate/BOB:
Microsoft may have poor business practices, but that doesn't mean that they want to eat your soul every chance they get.
[ October 24, 2004: Message edited by: Midnight Candidate/BOB ][/QB]
Am I the only one who finds this statement just a little bit naive? Poor business practices or not, at the end of the day companies are always in it for one thing - $$$. Some companies like to do business by satisfying customers with exemplary products/services (the best way to do business IMO, but what do I know, I majored in chemistry). Others are just out there to violate you financially. Am I oversimplifying? Has cynicism gotten the better of me?
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Originally posted by TB:
Am I the only one who finds this statement just a little bit naive? Poor business practices or not, at the end of the day companies are always in it for one thing - $$$. Some companies like to do business by satisfying customers with exemplary products/services (the best way to do business IMO, but what do I know, I majored in chemistry). Others are just out there to violate you financially. Am I oversimplifying? Has cynicism gotten the better of me?
LOL, please just let this die now. I was overgeneralising in response to a hasty overgeneralisation. It wouldn't be "business" without "u" "i" and "$". ;)