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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: actualfact on 28 November 2001, 05:34
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what's your favorite flavor of unix? least favorite?
wanna thumb wrestle over it?
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FreeBSD. If I could, I'd host this site on it. Actually, we're working on that (or so I'm told by the sysadmin) . . .
Don't know enough to say what I like the least, though.
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you all are gaye. please. bsd linux get out. learn to be a man. run solaris.
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Linux-Mandrake is the easiest to install, but Slackware is definately for the old-school crowd.
I use Linux-Mandrake simply because it was the only distro I could find at the Mall (besides RedHat, which blowz). Otherwise I'd be using good 'ol slackware, but I ain't got the time to Download it.
Anybody got a CD? Never mind. (-;
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When did Red Hat start to be considered as being so lousy? I'm curious, because in 96-97 or so, it seemed to be the distro of choice, at least from what I was hearing.
As I mentioned above, I'm more of a BSD person, so if this is a stupid, obvious question, forgive me . . .
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I've used RedHat, Caldera Openlinux, and Linux-Mandrake, and I happen to like Mandrake the best, as it recongnized all my hardware (with 8.1 anyway). I had more trouble out of the newer versions of Redhat lately.
As a note, I've never used FreeBSD, so I can't quote on that (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by akil:
you all are gaye. please. bsd linux get out. learn to be a man. run solaris.
yeah, like you could even admin a solaris network, tech support weenie.
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Originally posted by actual fact:
yeah, like you could even admin a solaris network, tech support weenie.
go pass out in a bathtub.
fuckamandrake fuckaredhat if youa re gonna run linux run slackware dont be a bitch. who wants a gui installer? not me.
ip aka acutalfact aka jermiah rotshchild III
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Originally posted by akil:
you all are gaye. please. bsd linux get out. learn to be a man. run solaris.
I dont think so. run IRIX. :D
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From what I understand, Mandrake and RedHat are one in the same (look at the install screen when under Mandrake. See the reference to RedHat?).
One reason that RedHat blows is the installation. It's hard enough to set up a working Linux box, especially if you use the USB ports. But throw RedHat at many computers, and you'll have a mess on your hands.
This is due mainly to the "Windownization" of many computer parts, particularly those made by Intel. But Linux programmers will never stop making compatibility a top priority. So I'm not too worried about it.
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Originally posted by akil:
you all are gaye. please. bsd linux get out. learn to be a man. run solaris.
solaris rocks. i just cant get used to those sun keyboards (supposedly the "real" unix ones?) with the caps lock and ctrl button switched. and the backtick where backspace is, and the backspace where backslash is
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Red Hat got a bad reputation a couple of years ago with a version that truly was the Windows Me of the Linux universe. Although it looks like they've gotten their act together as the new Red Hat has gotten some very positive reviews. Red Hat seems to be doing well to redeem its reputation.
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Anyone of you peeps ever herd of GNU? 'course you have...but how do ya feel 'bout it?
I'm a GNU-fan, and therefore I do my best to spread the good word.
So, to get to the point, if any of you fellas feel like trying something other than yet another corporate OS (eg, Solaris), try Debian GNU/linux...
It's a bit difficult, as of yet, to balance the Stability vs. Compatibility issues, but do yourselves a favour and check it out...
www.debian.org (http://www.debian.org)
Also, try the hurd kernel...it's still...under developement, but it's nice to find out what our friends at GNU think a kernel should be like...
All hail open source! ;)
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i've heard good things about debian, especially about its' package manager.
you do debian development, hm?
and of course i know and praise gnu.. .
how about openbsd? has anyone used it? i'm pretty sure it's the most secure os out of the box. . the developers basically have gone through every line of code themselves.
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I much perfer Slackware. RedHat is kinda crapping
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i'm a NetBSD kinda guy
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for the last year I used SuSE 7.1 but just recently I got Slackware 8.0 and love it, it's fast, simple, and has nice clean scripts. Frame Buffering is really cool too.
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Originally posted by akil:
you all are gaye. please. bsd linux get out. learn to be a man. run solaris.
Ho Ho Ho!
Can i be gaye too? can i be Marvin Gaye? :cool:
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I started computing on a Commodore 64, then was turned on to PCs when the 8088 came out and Microsloth DOS v 3.2. Ran one of the largest dual node BBSs on a 286 running DOS/DesqView/PCBoard. Started in *NIX on an AT&T 3B2, then really started to see the light when moving to AIX on IBM RS/6000.
Was turned on to Linux before it even had hard disk support. It booted and ran off two floppies (I think it was around kernel version .91). This was before any distros. The first distro I used was called "SLS", then Slackware, then I tried RedHat 2.0. Kept switching back and forth between Slackware and RedHat until about RedHat 5.2 and have pretty much stuck with them since with the exception of a few Debian installations.
Spent the last 5 years in a mostly Sun/Solaris shop plus some HP-UX, Linux and FreeBSD. I can tell you that for the most part I like the Sun equipment (the larger enterprise servers) but I am not a great fan of Solaris. In fact we took a couple of old Sparc 20 machines and wiped out Slowaris and installed Debian and made web servers out of them.
I run several RedHat web/ftp/DNS/mail and network monitoring and IDS servers. Couple of FreeBSD web/DNS/mail servers. All of the above OSs have their strengths and weaknesses. Linux and FreeBSD I think are the best all around internet servers (keep all the packages updated, turn off all the unnecessary services and be security minded like for any OS).
Of course when it comes to Commercial software a lot of times Linux has been left out and you might have to go with Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, IRIX, etc depending on the app.
The last two years have been great for Linux as software vendors started jumping on the bandwagon and ported their apps to Linux (Oracle, Sybase, some Adobe stuff, Some games, etc etc). Linux was never in my mind ready for "Joe Average User" as a desktop OS, at least until very recently. I've seen some great progress just in the last couple of months in this area. I just hope the vendors haven't given up on Linux as I feel they are starting to do. I also happen to have to administer many NT servers (they by far require more care and feeding than the *NIX machines because I think MS's server developers have desktop developer brains, they just don't get it, automation is 1000 times easier in *NIX).
I've always thought that if Microsoft were smart they would take that open source *NIX code and put their pretty shiny user freindly desktop on a real OS for a base and fire all of their OS developers. They might have some stability, they might have some security, they might have a viable server platform, and if they chuck that VB crap they might not be so prone to viru. Now it seems Apple has actually gone this route. I have to admit I've never touched an Apple but from everything I've read from you all that run OS 10 you give it a thumbs up. Maybe it's time to get a MAC to add to my collection. I'm not the biggest fan of their business strategies either though. But they are an underdog. MS is so shoved down peoples throats I think everyone else has a deep hole to try and dig out of no matter how great their stuff is, course this has been the story all along. :(
rm -rf http://www.microsoft.com/ (http://www.microsoft.com/)
[ December 05, 2001: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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i'm new:
Mandrake = Best
SuSE = BAD!
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
I started computing on a Commodore 64, then was turned on to PCs when the 8088 came out and Microsloth DOS v 3.2. Ran one of the largest dual node BBSs on a 286 running DOS/DesqView/PCBoard. Started in *NIX on an AT&T 3B2, then really started to see the light when moving to AIX on IBM RS/6000.
rm -rf http://www.microsoft.com/ (http://www.microsoft.com/)
[ December 05, 2001: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
what? No Vic 20???
I'm only 15 and even i started out on a Vic 20, then moved up to the fancy commodore 64.
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Let's see... I was 12 when I started 'working' with VIC-20's (my school had ten of them in their computer workshop and I sort of looked after them and helped everyone else with them). I'm now 29 which means that was 17 years ago.
I'm guessing your VIC-20 wasn't new when you started using it!
I did like the old Commodores. My very first computer (well not really mine, my dad's but since I worked out how to use it before he did...) was a Commodore PET, when I was about 7. Huge cast iron all-in-one thing with a tiny 10" monochrome monitor, 8kb RAM and a tape drive.
Wrote many BASIC programs for my dad (one was sort of a database to keep track of his darts league statistics), and then moved over to the Spectrum in '82...
I sometimes think that everyone should be made to spend a few months using various old consumer computers before they're allowed to go near newer ones... particularly, not having hard disks and suchlike really made you appreciate the difference between 'memory' and 'disk space' which so many lusers today cannot get their heads round.
Before anyone asks, sadly my mum threw out the old Commodore PET while I wasn't looking. I bet it would be worth a few quid now...
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Oh yeah, old age and good memory are linear. I did have a VIC-20 before the 64 although I didn't have it long before getting a 64 so I forgot about it. And I was out of school when I got my "new" machines. Tape drive and all.
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i happen to know someone who had an Imagination Machine, what year did those come out??
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im new but red hat and mandrake are treating me fine
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aaargh
..... stop .... digging .... up .... really .... old .... topics!!!!
:rolleyes:
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The very first Linux thread on this forum.
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Originally posted by BadKarma:
aaargh
..... stop .... digging .... up .... really .... old .... topics!!!!
:rolleyes:
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Uh, it seems only fair to keep the very first thread alive. And what happened to the other thread you complained about????? If you trashed it I'm outta here.
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huh... its in the other forum.
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Originally posted by The Master of Reality / B0B:
huh... its in the other forum.
You moved it! I was in the middle of replying to you and all of a sudden the thread no longer existed. It was like the 3rd thread in the Linux forum. Now it's been moved to like the 106th thread in the new Ask a Hacker forum. I don't believe it should have been moved. It might as well be trashed now because I doubt it can be moved back into the same slot. At any rate I am done fixing the Linux forum. You might want to look back at some earlier posts around 8:30 this evening to see what we were doing.
And BTW, it doesn't belong in the programming forum.
[ November 15, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Originally posted by Master of Reality:
what? No Vic 20???
I'm only 15 and even i started out on a Vic 20, then moved up to the fancy commodore 64.
15? so how old are you really, MoR?
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take a look at the age thread in the lounge... i posted my real age there....
[ November 26, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / B0B ]
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i know you say you're 22 (yes?) but why did you say you were 15? also, why say you're 15 first and then change it to 22 later? (maybe you aged 7 years over the last year or so? :D you'd have to have been working pretty hard for that to happen!)
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where the hell did you get 22 from?? I am 15.