Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: john17 on 14 March 2006, 02:32
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Considering all the problems of Windows why not require the box makers to use a menu driven DOS operating system.
People could still have Windows but would have to start in this DOS then if Windows was giving them problems it would be easy to go to another operating system or use DOS.
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Microsoft will take there OEM lisences away if they put in any other OS besides windows.
EDIT: Welcome to Microsuck:)
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The simple answer is that MS doesn't want this.
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The simplest answer is that this will make less money for MS.
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The even simpler answer is that Microsoft are just lazy.
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The simple answer is that MS doesn't want this.
Close. The answer is actually that consumers don't want this.
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OEM's are required by Microsoft to install one operating system on their computer.
Two is not allowed.
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Considering all the problems of Windows why not require the box makers to use a DOS operating system that uses limited graphics.
People could still have Windows but would have to start in this DOS then if Windows was giving them problems it would be easy to go to another operating system or use DOS.
Because Windows NT is more stable than DOS, I remember how often Win9x used to BSOD compared to XP.
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oh yes and xp "is more stable" ... right
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oh yes and xp "is more stable" ... right
We're not talking about Windows XP, we're talking about Windows NT vs. MS-DOS.
And Windows NT is still more stable than MS-DOS. Of course, it doesn't have a chance of beating UNIX for a second, but still.
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Microsoft will take there OEM lisences away if they put in any other OS besides windows.
EDIT: Welcome to Microsuck:)
Unfortunately this is probably true.
If a box maker went ahead doing this without Windows and and was successful with the help of some killer application how would Microsoft counter this competitor, it would be like Microsoft's CE OS against the Palm OS in the PDA market. It doesn't understand the principal that simplicity is sometimes better.
I'm sorry I made a mistake remember the wonderful program EDLINE.
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Close. The answer is actually that consumers don't want this.
Consumers don't really "want" anything - it's just given to them, and it is what it is. If a bunch of OEMs put forth this plan, that would just be what people "want" - perhaps with somewhat of a delay for software companies to catch up.
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oh yes and xp "is more stable" ... right
Yes, NT = XP and yes it is more stable than DOS or Windows 9x which ran on top of it. Under plain DOS the whole system would hand if the CPU executed an invalid instruction, this situation improved slightly under Windows (or in a DPMI program which is run under a DOS extender) alhough there was no propper memory protection so one program could still quite easilly take down the whole OS.
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you can add this feature yourself anyway, and if you wanted e.g. windows and fedora, the fedora installer even helps you set up the dual boot (although it didnt work for me)
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Close. The answer is actually that consumers don't want this.
Do consumers want DRM?
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Do consumers want DRM?
customers do not prefer DRM but the success of itunes shows there are levels of DRM they are willing to accept.
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Consumers have probably never heard of DRM. How much you wanna bet?
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Er DRM, what's that, does it make my PC faster or something? :rolleyes:
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Er DRM, what's that, does it make my PC faster or something?
Yes.
And it's free! (how..... wrong)
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Consumers don't really "want" anything - it's just given to them, and it is what it is. If a bunch of OEMs put forth this plan, that would just be what people "want" - perhaps with somewhat of a delay for software companies to catch up.
Let me put it this way. Consumers want what will run their software - and when I say consumers, I'm talking about 98% of consumers who don't even know what an Operating System is, let alone that their is more than one to choose from.
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let alone that their is more than one to choose from.
Nearly everyone knows that, there's Windows ME, Windows XP Home, Windows XP Pro, Windows XP Corporate and Windows 2003 and you can also buy a Macintosh.
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Nearly everyone knows that, there's Windows ME, Windows XP Home, Windows XP Home Pro, Windows XP Corporate and Windows 2003 and you can also buy a Macintosh.
Don't forget win2000;)
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Nearly everyone knows that, there's Windows ME, Windows XP Home, Windows XP Pro, Windows XP Corporate and Windows 2003 and you can also buy a Macintosh.
I see you get my point then. ;)
But I must add - a signifigant portion of computer users dont even know that there are different version of Windows. All they know is that it runs "Windows". If I called 20 people here are work and asked them what version of Windows they were running (pretty much everyone runs XP), probbaly 15 of them wouldnt have a clue. When I someetimes do side work, and I ask people what version of Windows they are running, almost invariably, they cant tell me because they have no clue.
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One of my sister's friends though the version of Windows determines how good your PC is. :D :rolleyes: :(
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Close. The answer is actually that consumers don't want this.
No, MS doesn't want this. MS wants every PC to look exactly the same way when it boots up.
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Let me put it this way. Consumers want what will run their software....
Yeah. I accounted for that in the last sentence of my post.
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Microsoft wants what will make them money. Only if something makes them money they'll do it. If there's something that would make them money and they're not doing it, they just haven't discovered it yet.
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customers do not prefer DRM but the success of itunes shows there are levels of DRM they are willing to accept.
The most annoying thing about DRM is when I've spent ages downloading a porno from p2p and it turns out to be DRMd. :mad: I don't suppose there's a way to crack it, if anyone knows of a way then can you please PM me.
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The most annoying thing about DRM is when I've spent ages downloading a porno from p2p and it turns out to be DRMd. :mad: I don't suppose there's a way to crack it, if anyone knows of a way then can you please PM me.
You've been officially 'sigged'.
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W00t!
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Close. The answer is actually that consumers don't want this.
Uhhhh ... how ... what ... how did you jump to this all of a sudden ? I must agree you are a shill for M$ ... no better way to put it ...
As for a DRM crack ... I'm sure there are teams of hackers working on that problem as we speak .... hackers need porn too :D
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Uhhhh ... how ... what ... how did you jump to this all of a sudden ?
Ummm. Common sense? Years of experience supporting thousands of end users who use Windows? What makes you think that your average consumer would want some antiquated command line OS on their new PC? What would they use it for?
I must agree you are a shill for M$ ... no better way to put it ...
I have about a much shill in me as you have sense.
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... some antiquated command line OS on their new PC? ...
Is this refering to Linux ? If so you are very wrong ... which seems obvious ...
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Is this refering to Linux ? If so you are very wrong ... which seems obvious ...
Read the original post genius.
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I did ... but I don't understand it.
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Anyhow...Lets just say I was talking about linux. By sying "I'm wrong",are you saying that the average consumer would want linux?
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I did ... but I don't understand it.
Yet you replied.
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I got the gist of it and then replied ... what I always do :D
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CONSUMERS DO NOT WANT DRM. If MS did what consumers want, and only what consumers want, they would not support DRM.
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CONSUMERS DO NOT WANT DRM. If MS did what consumers want, and only what consumers want, they would not support DRM.
With proper marketing, consumers will think that DRM improves DVD quality.
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CONSUMERS DO NOT WANT DRM. If MS did what consumers want, and only what consumers want, they would not support DRM.
Soon linux will support DRM. What will you do then?
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If Linux supports DRM, I hope it isn't forced. I may not want to go and buy a digital monitor just to watch DVD's on my PC. As I am hoping to start a business based on Linux media systems, I don't want the extra work of DRM to sort out.
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They have to crack DRM ... that's the only plausible solution :thumbup:
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Soon linux will support DRM. What will you do then?
My point still stands.
I'm not sure in what ways DRM would/will be supported on a free operating system. Anything that's supposed to go into the kernel, anyhow, I can compile without very easily. There are tonnes of free media players. If all the developers lose their heads and try and enforce DRM, I can fork their programs.
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Back on topic.
Command line OSes are obsolete (as far as most applications are concerned), but the command line isn't many tasks are faster because you can use wildcards and it's faster to type than use the mouse.
Just a thought but most modern GUI file managers are shit in one respect, they don't allow you to use a wildcard filter, does anyone know of any that do?
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The command line is a godsend when you fuck up the GUI end of things.
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Point taken, but you can always reach for your trusty Knoppix disc and fix things the GUI way. :p