A Windows Vista Capable PC includes at least:Whoops, I ***only*** have 256 MB RAM (it's enough for modern GNOME and modern KDE - even with all the cool+useless compiz effects turned on with Xgl (Vista definetly does NOT beat that stuff out-right)) - so my computer isn't Windows Vista Capable :(
* A modern processor (at least 800MHz1).
* 512 MB of system memory.
* A graphics processor that is DirectX 9 capable.
A Windows Vista Capable PC includes at least:
* A modern processor (at least 800MHz1).
* 512 MB of system memory.
* A graphics processor that is DirectX 9 capable.
A Windows Vista Premium Ready PC includes at least:
* 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor1.
* 1 GB of system memory.
* A graphics processor that runs Windows Aero2.
* 128 MB of graphics memory.
* 40 GB of hard drive capacity with 15 GB free space.
* DVD-ROM Drive3.
* Audio output capability.
* Internet access capability.
That's one way to get you out there buying new peecees and upgrading all your junk. MS, the corporation software that stimulates hardware sales.Too bad for Microsoft, I got stimulated into buying a Mac!
Final words. It will sell like hot cakes
Many people may become grossly obese ... or at least their computer will run like it's big, fat, and slow.And then they'll wonder why for three seconds - and then they'll buy a "more modern" computer to run their POS OS.
It is very "pretty", The way window's minimize seems to be borrowed from OSX, they like "bounce" around when you minimize them
Microsoft has been stealing from Apple from the beginning when they introduced Windows 95.
Microsoft has been stealing from Apple from the beginning when they introduced Windows 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notable_litigation_of_Apple_ComputerLMFAO, Apple have done it all :D
With ndiswrapper, virtually every miniPCI (builtin), PCI, PCMCIA (Cardbus only) or USB wireless network card works in Linux.
But isn't that stupid?
Surly they should make it so it runs on hardware at least two years old? Personally I'd like them set the minimum requirements for a typical five year old machine.
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't run on a five year old computer. I just threw out an Athlon 750 machine that would have run Vista just fine. It was six years old. The computers I tested on ran it with all of the fancy effects activated and it ran very fast - just as fast as XP. ON older machines you would have to turn down the graphical effects (it can revert all the way back to the "Windows Classic" look), but the security features, which I think are the best part of Vista would still be there.
but the security features, which I think are the best part of Vista would still be there.Oh yes, the wonderful security features (http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=188578&cid=15541632) ;)
What are the specs on this "typical" 5 year old machine may I ask ?
Oh, and yes I have to agree XP is faster than an old granny in a tar pit.
Don't believe you, my machine is less than five years old and it won't run Vista, unless you've upgraded your five year old machine which is of course cheating.
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't run on a five year old computer.
A typical five year old PC would need a RAM upgrade to run Vista. 512MB of ram.
A typical five year old PC would need a RAM upgrade to run Vista. 512MB of ram.
Okay, by that logic, I could put $5,000 worth of hardware into my 450 MHz P3's box and say that I'm running Vista Ultimate Edition flawlessly on an eight-year-old system. I'm sorry, but I call bullshit.
Let's say its a 1GHz PC with 512MB RAM. It'll run Vista ok, but something makes me think it's not gonna cooperate well with Aero
Uhhh. Yeah. I didn't mention it because I though it would be obvious, but I guess the obvious isn't so obvious to folks around here. :nothappy:
about the RAM
you know Vista reqs a DDR2
Well Aero must be one bloated piece of shit considering Xgl runs dreamy (by that I mean: no obvious performance difference) on my Athlon XP 2600+, 256 MB RAM, radeon 9600
Yeah anybody who dislikes the actions of Microsoft must be a total idiot... :thumbup:
Uhhh, the specs you just quoted would run Vista with Aero.
A typical five year old PC would need a RAM upgrade to run Vista. 512MB of ram.I don't have 512 MB RAM. Xgl runs fine and dandy with 256.
I don't have 512 MB RAM. Xgl runs fine and dandy with 256.
Exactly ... I mean it requires 512 MB not 256 MB ... in fact even XP has trouble with that little ram (had to upgrade my bro's RAM cuz he had problems and slowness with XP)
Oh, and a good set of RAM cards (512 MB) will cost you around $200 not $60.
For Aero: A graphics card upgrade ... I doubt old graphics card could run Aero without choking remember you need 128 MB of graphical memory (+ $400) ... the processor needs to be at least 1Ghz so you'll need to upgrade that (around $400). In fact you will need 1 GB RAM if you want to run Aero ... another $300 for a decent set or $400 for a good set. What if your mobo won't support some of the hardware ... another possible $200. Oh and you may need a DVD-ROM drive ... ($150). Another $150 for a better power supply 400 W. Plus Vi$ta ... $450
So this will run you around $1850-$2150
Saphire x1800GTO 256MB $189 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102021)Can Aero output to the motherboard LEDs? Now that is impressive! ;)
Athlon 64 3500 $114
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103633)OCZ Gold Series 1GB DDR2 Kit $95 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227046)
MSI K9N Neo-F AM2 Mobo $80 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130050)
Antec TruePower 2.0 550Watt PSU $90 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103931)
BenQ DVD Burner $35 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827101002)
Tex, I have no idea where you get your prices from....The rig above is more then enough to run vista, ontop of that it can play pretty much any game known to man at max quality. All for $603.
And bullshit will Vista run on that, infact XP would struggle to run on a machine that slow which says something as it's the year it was released.
Actually, it runs as smooth as the Windows 2000 that came on it. Some issues occur when I put effects on full blast, but it gives out a decent performance. I stress decent.Still: you'd think an OS would give very GOOD performace on a typical computer at the year of release...
Saphire x1800GTO 256MB $189 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102021)
Athlon 64 3500 $114
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103633)OCZ Gold Series 1GB DDR2 Kit $95 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227046)
MSI K9N Neo-F AM2 Mobo $80 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130050)
Antec TruePower 2.0 550Watt PSU $90 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103931)
BenQ DVD Burner $35 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827101002)
Tex, I have no idea where you get your prices from....The rig above is more then enough to run vista, ontop of that it can play pretty much any game known to man at max quality. All for $603.
Saphire ... never heard of it. Anyway, you forgot Vi$ta ($450) bringing it to $1053. Besides, I was going for reliability not cheapness ... got my prices from froogle, not the cheapest, but something more reliable. As in the hardware won't break soon after you buy it as has happened to me several times when buying cheap ... now I only buy things that are not as cheap, but more reliable.
I don't have 512 MB RAM. Xgl runs fine and dandy with 256.
Anyway, you forgot Vi$ta ($450) bringing it to $1053.
Erm...Saphire is signle handedly ATI's biggest and most reliable manufacturer
That's insane. Vista will not cost $450.00.
It will cost at least $300 ... XP Pro was $299 when it was released ... shouldn't expect Vi$ta to cost less. Rumors are it will be around $450 ... who knows if they are true.
ATI and reliable should not be in the same sentence.
My definition of reliability is that a component last without major problems for at least 10 years under normal use.
2 major companies that fail this are Creative and ATI ... and many cheap ones as well, I remember there was a cheap HDD that broke in 2 weeks, and other components you might find say in a Compaq. You get what you pay for ... cheap is cheap.
Saphire x1800GTO 256MB $189 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102021)
Athlon 64 3500 $114
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103633)OCZ Gold Series 1GB DDR2 Kit $95 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227046)
MSI K9N Neo-F AM2 Mobo $80 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130050)
Antec TruePower 2.0 550Watt PSU $90 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103931)
BenQ DVD Burner $35 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827101002)
Tex, I have no idea where you get your prices from....The rig above is more then enough to run vista, ontop of that it can play pretty much any game known to man at max quality. All for $603.
Wow, someone's been out of the hardware loop. Two GB of RAM is soon becoming the new gaming standard. Also, no dual-core processor? Don't bother with multitasking then. I'd take an X1900XTX if I'm going ATi, which I'd never do because their linux drivers are shit. You also don't even list a case.
and other components you might find say in a Compaq.
Oh yes, the wonderful security features (http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=188578&cid=15541632) ;)I thought this reply from the link was especially noteworthy:
When autorun is turn off for all removable media, and can only be turned on with an administrator password, and there is no override for "special DRM encoded media", then I will believe that MS is concerned about security. Until then, they are doing the minimum neccesary to meet a current PR, while making sure that control of MS Windows stays out of the hand of the end user, and in the hands of MS and it's partner advertisers.
Wtf? I was trying to make a CHEAP and good vista ready rig. not to mention the amount of apps that use dual core CPUs are very little. 2GB of ram is not becoming the standard(yet). It will soon, but 1GB of ram is the norm. The x1900XTX is overpriced and will be CPU limited until Conroe hits the streets, even then it will still be slightly CPU limited. Why spend $500 on an x1900XTX when the x1800GTO can still play any game maxed? you would assume the person upgrading would already have a case. Like I said, the goal of the above assembled rig is to make a good vista ready gaming rig. not "teh uber high end".
I have yet to see why you have put an ATi card in there. ATi is crap. Why someone will spend 500 dollars on a video card is the same reason Tiger Woods doesn't buy golf clubs at Wal Mart, because the 500 dollar card outperforms the 200 dollar card. The number of applications using dual cores will rise, there are already dual core patches for games.
Well lets see, the x1800GTO and 7600GT are both on the same pricepoint, the x1800GTO outpeforms the 7600GT in almost everything.
Well there is more to a Video card than raw performance. Many people avoid ATI because to this day, they still write very shitty drivers. Even if ATI drivers didn't suck, they would still be a no-go for me because they don't support FreeBSD at all.
Yes, but their drivers since the 6.x have been getting progesivley better with every version
EDIT:Odly enough, they support BeOS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon)
EDIT: What do you mean there goes the advantage? ATI is ontop of the ORB and still leads in games, nVidia has to resort to QUAD SLI to keep performence up. Plus nVidia said they were gonna have HDR+AA support with 7900 series. They didnt.
So you pulled that price out of your ass. That's what I thought.
Anyhow, almost nobody pays retail price for Windows. They buy OEM copies with their new machines, or the parts they buy for their new machines.
Be careful there. My brother's computer is a 7-year old Compaq Deskpro (500MHz P3, 384MB RAM, 10+80GB hard drives). Nothing in there has ever broken.
So you pulled that price out of your ass. That's what I thought. ;)
Well, he probably got lucky, my first PC a Compaq broke in 3 months. And I know many other people who have had problems with their compaqs ... and I've had lots of experience with them in computer science classes ... nobody wants to use them because they blow goats.
about the RAM
you know Vista reqs a DDR2 ram not DDR ot SD !
so if you had computer from back then you are screwed
your mother board will not be compatible with that too...
and if you want a healthy system with fat-type of fsys
you are screwed tooo !
so i do not like vista i aint upgrading just for that ...
maby fot Half-life 2 or some other major hit that i like
but not for M$!
Well, he probably got lucky, my first PC a Compaq broke in 3 months. And I know many other people who have had problems with their compaqs ... and I've had lots of experience with them in computer science classes ... nobody wants to use them because they blow goats. Dells are at least 100x better and just as cheap.
Here is my ass:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/30/windows-vista-ultimate-450-us/ (http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/30/windows-vista-ultimate-450-us/)
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4463/53/ (http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4463/53/)
I never pull things out of my ass ... I pull them from Google's ass :)
Those were probably consumer-level Compaqs. That's the trick. The Deskpro is a business machine.