Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: Stryker on 20 August 2002, 20:14
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Me, I'm a linux user. But I have to admit that microsoft isn't a piece of shit, it just is compared to *nix systems. But I was wondering what your thoughts were on the very significant price difference.http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/advancedserver/howtobuy/pricing/default.asp
$4000 for something that you can get for free can do so much better? I'm not just talking out of my ass or anything either, I have their server. (it was a gift i didn't buy it) I have to go, I need to make samba my domain controller real quick...
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ummm, overpriced compared to free *nix's, then agian, over 8 cpus, and you have to pay for a solarise license, which i don't think is cheap. but on that point, windows can't even run on 8+ procs so nevermind
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No one makes a Pentium based machine with more than 8 CPUs that I am aware of, Windows only runs on x86. And if you are going to run Solaris on more than 8 CPUs yer also going to have to trade in that PC for a Sparc. Linux *will* run on more than 8 CPUs on hardware capable of more than 8 CPUs, however it doesn't perform optimally the more CPUs you run over that many. But yeah, Windows is basically a waste of money no matter how you slice it.
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Well Linux is a whole lot cheaper but because the suits are idiots they think that the more expensive option must be better because it's ... well...it's more expensive. Hows that for logic.
I am not kidding this is how suits think. :confused:
The price of "support" is also key in the suit mind.
Nevermind that the big computer companies like IBM and HP will happily take your money and support linux to your hearts content...go-figure
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you think that's a rip? check out Microsoft SQL Server
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/howtobuy/production.asp (http://www.microsoft.com/sql/howtobuy/production.asp)
prices start at $1200 per computer
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You think SQL is bad? Come on, in New Zealand (nowhere near Texas) M$ WORD costs $1000, M$ EXCEL costs $1000, M$ ACCESS costs $2000 and OFFICE costs $2500
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i got MS office 97 i thnk it is for about 250 Canadian, i think Word is a pretty good program (http://smile.gif)
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What the fuck, $20,000 per processor? How the hell can that be legal? unless of course they are supplying the processors (which I would instantly replace). Seriosly, are they providing the hardware or just some crappy server software? I have a little 400mhz that could handle what they are offering...
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i'm on Linux and i do use MySQL, isn't that ironic (http://smile.gif)
now if a microsoft dummy i would be like 6 grand (US dollars) in the hole.
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Originally posted by Stryker:
What the fuck, $20,000 per processor? How the hell can that be legal? --
How can it be legal? Easy be a multi-billionaire. Then anything is legal. M$ survives by using under the table deals, buying politicians, and uber-expensive lawyers.
As far as code goes, the difference between Win2K server and Win2K Advanced server is probably very very small. Hell I wouldn't be shocked if it were the exact same OS but with one small variable being different. Talking about only a x=2 vs. x=8 somewhere hidden in the code. Its possible, no? The only real difference is about 3000$ on the price tag.
What really bothers me as that people actually buy this shit. But, as stated above, thats how suits think. The saying goes, "you get what you pay for". Nothing but fucktards Were talking about the "important" people here, you know, the ones that make all the decisions. If it wasn't for such people, M$ would have fallen under long ago.
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Difference is actually pretty significant.
Advanced server supports 8 CPUs while standard version only 4, the same goes for memory (8 Gb vs 4 Gb).
But that's not where code is different.
It's clustering and load balancing support which adds to the price.
And please go and check the prices for box with 8 CPUs from one of the commercial UNIX vendors, then add costs Veritas Cluster Server and you'd be talking 2x price of Microsoft OS.
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They'd have to supply more than just the processors to get me t pay 20K each
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Unless of course you are running Linux on that 16 processor box, with free clustering software if you need it...
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Originally posted by www.unixsucks.com: (http://www.unixsucks.com:)
Difference is actually pretty significant.
Advanced server supports 8 CPUs while standard version only 4, the same goes for memory (8 Gb vs 4 Gb).
But that's not where code is different.
It's clustering and load balancing support which adds to the price.
And please go and check the prices for box with 8 CPUs from one of the commercial UNIX vendors, then add costs Veritas Cluster Server and you'd be talking 2x price of Microsoft OS.
Ahhh, OK now I get it. Clustering and load balance support is it? For 3k$? And 4GB memory? Dosn't exactly add up to me. The price is so high for what? The development costs? When there is better software available for free. Anyone who thinks that there is any chance in HELL that that "clustering and load balancing support which adds to the price" would sell for anywhere near 3K$ if it was not for monopolistic practices that fool the pubilc ("suits"), and force compeditors out of the marketplace, is a moron in every sense of the word. And anyone who would invest in such a pathetic product has obviously been tricked by the numerous M$ marketing scams. Being thousands in the hole and gaining nothing for it really adds up to being screwed over. Yes, M$ screws people over every day, BillyG built the whole company on screwing people over. Including you.
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I think you shall be having examples where Linux is running on 8 or 16 CPU system with free clustering?
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ok dude, on ebay, i have seen 8 pIII xeon boxs, im thinking about buying a 4 proc pentium pro system. as for 16 proc linux, never seen it, but i heard it booted on a 128 proc sun box, but it wasn't running optimally on it.
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Originally posted by www.unixsucks.com: (http://www.unixsucks.com:)
I think you shall be having examples where Linux is running on 8 or 16 CPU system with free clustering?
What sort of clustering do you prefer? I gave you one example running on 1040 PIII processors. I can give you more examples as there are several types of clustering. Again, use google and you shall find. But, you would rather just pay M$ because their fudmeisters showed up on your doorstep. Personally I have run Linux on an 18 processor Sun server. I put an old Sparc Center 2000 to good use. Again, search, use your brain, it's certainly not hard to find this information.
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windows dosn't just run on x86 it runs on alpha and sparc and pa-risc I THINK i am postive on ALPHA but not about other archs
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NT 3.51 USED to run on Alpha but they quickly dropped it like a rock. You better check again, x86 only. In addition to Alpha they also had a PPC and a MIPS version for a very short time (also only NT 3.51). It never ran on any other processors that I am aware of. It NEVER ran on Sparc, monkeys will fly out of Scott McNealy's butt before that happens.
In fact on the NT 3.51 Server CD there was the usual I386 directory, along with an ALPHA, PPC, and MIPS directories. You'll not find them on any other version.
http://www.osdata.com/kind/windows.htm (http://www.osdata.com/kind/windows.htm)
[ August 30, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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i got all my microslit software for $5 a pop, professional editions too, through indiana university
LOL nowhere near texas
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Originally posted by choasforages:
ummm, overpriced compared to free *nix's, then agian, over 8 cpus, and you have to pay for a solarise license, which i don't think is cheap. but on that point, windows can't even run on 8+ procs so nevermind
Windows 2000 Datacenter Server can run up to 32 processors.
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Originally posted by sporkme / bob:
i got all my microslit software for $5 a pop, professional editions too, through indiana university
LOL nowhere near texas
ISU MS software discounts rule. ;P I got Windows 98SE, Windows ME and Windows 2000 Professional from ISU at $5 a pop. Too bad I'm no longer a student(I've already graduated). I still know people who can get me MS software from ISU at $5 a pop, but I didn't have any reason to go that route with Windows XP because the ISU version wasn't Corporate(according to one of my ISU buddies). ;(
I like on the ISU versions of Windows how the Product Key is built into the installation. That is really handy because it saves me the trouble of having to input the key when I install Windows and I can never lose my CD key.
[ August 30, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Ok, now where do I find a 32 processor Intel box that Windows is capable of running on?
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Ok, now where do I find a 32 processor Intel box that Windows is capable of running on?
HA!
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Ok, now where do I find a 32 processor Intel box that Windows is capable of running on?
Good question. I'm sure they are out there and I'm sure the businesses(and government) who can afford to run Win2K Datacenter server legally also have access to and own those rare 32 CPU x86 boxes. ;P
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hmm, i have heard myths about the magical 16 proc 486, buts thats about it
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My company built a beouwulf cluster for argon national labs running unix.