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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: anphanax on 24 October 2002, 21:06
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http://www.zolknetwork.com/windows_longhorn.php (http://www.zolknetwork.com/windows_longhorn.php)
quote: "Microsoft has even admitted that Palladium will include bugs in its first release."
(more info)
http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/longhorn.asp (http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/longhorn.asp)
http://www.webtechgeek.com/Windows_Longhorn_tips.htm (http://www.webtechgeek.com/Windows_Longhorn_tips.htm)
I haven't seen any topics on this yet here.
BTW: Read the details about palladium.. Controlling email and document domains mr gates?
[ October 24, 2002: Message edited by: anphanax ]
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Oh god I love longhorn!!!!!
NOT
XP will still be best, not some fucked up messed up GUI that I don't want to get used to and some OS that will prevent me from copying a video file to a CD or forwarding someone's email.
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH
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I don't know why your bringing up stuff that will not be available until at least 2005. Especially since Linux will be the desktop of choice by most of the world by that time.
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3 years until the shit hits the fan for microsoft. I cant wait....lol. New distros of linux are released about an average of twice a year. That means that linux companies will go through 6 major changes before the new MS OS comes out. I think that in the time we have, we should make as many improvements to kde and gnome as possible, and create a standard for package management that all linux distros can use and that end users can use easily. Also we need to make agreements with hardware manufacturers that gives us linux drivers for hardware written by those companies. Finally, we need as many games as possible. Believe it or not a lot of the people I know would be willing to use linux even though its harder, if it had more game support.
Now its time for my reasoning into the real purpose behind Longhorn. When XP came out, a lot of people who used windows 98se saw no reason to upgrade. After all, all programs that can run on XP can also run on 98. Other than a few pieces of the gui, there was no real incentive. With the release of longhorn, there will be new applications that will not work on win9x. Also MS will drop support of 9x totally. Just like how they dropped support of win 3.x. They believe this will force users of 9x to get Longhorn. You will no longer be able to find new hardware with drivers for 9x. They said they were completely rewriting the file system probably to make this possible. They would make a hell of a lot of money forcing everyone to upgrade.
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Posted by XP Loser:
Oh god I love longhorn!!!!!
NOT
XP will still be best, not some fucked up messed up GUI that I don't want to get used to and some OS that will prevent me from copying a video file to a CD or forwarding someone's email.
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH
WTF???? XP Loser is starting to open his eyes to Microsoft's treachery???? I think you were right Calum, he is starting to change. Perhaps he can be turned from the dark side.....but I seriously doubt it.
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Originally posted by void main:
I don't know why your bringing up stuff that will not be available until at least 2005. Especially since Linux will be the desktop of choice by most of the world by that time.
I seriously doubt it. The Linux community has been saying that Linux will take over soon for the last 10+ years. Has it happened? No. It is nothing more than wishful thinking on the Linux communities' part.
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
Oh god I love longhorn!!!!!
NOT
XP will still be best, not some fucked up messed up GUI that I don't want to get used to and some OS that will prevent me from copying a video file to a CD or forwarding someone's email.
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH
If MS does implement all of the BS to prevent people from sharing files, using non-DRMprotected media, etc. I'm sure there will be hacks out there(just like how the unhackable activation got hacked). I doubt that MS will be able to implement all of the media security stuff because other media players for Windows(like Winamp, Quicktime, etc.) will still be able to play non-protected media. For E-Mail...if you don't use Outlook Express I'm sure you will still be able to send whatever you want over E-Mail.
MS will not be able to stop users from using whatever they want on thier system. MS may be able to prevent users from doing stuff using MS software(like WMP and Outlook) but there will always be alternatives out there. ;P
[ October 24, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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well, whichever way, why should you care?
i suggest you stop worrying about it so much zombie426542367457, if you think it will never happen...
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So what did M$ copy this time as far as GUI is conserned...
Hmmmm... the start bar now looks very much like the panel bar in Gnome. The interface is an alpha blended blue curve with hardware accelerated window transperancies and rendering from OSX.
Ok. nice. Inovative... BS
same old same old.
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anphanax is right. WTF is it? :eek:
Go check it out!
[EDIT]Removed the quote. Someone should e-mail this guy[/EDIT]
[ October 24, 2002: Message edited by: Panos ]
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It is a student at MIT's little 'hole' to keep his stuff. Out of courtesy you should leave it alone.
Someone should e-mail the dude to tell him to password protect it.
[ October 24, 2002: Message edited by: Tux ]
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Originally posted by Tux:
It is a student at MIT's little 'hole' to keep his stuff. Out of courtesy you should leave it alone.
You're right Tux but can you see where a typo can get you? Strange.. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Panos:
anphanax is right. WTF is it? :eek:
Go check it out!
LoL, the webmaster has a little underground operation going. He is freely distributing Photoshop 7 ;P
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This topic can up a little while ago but it was quickly covered up because the guy had personal stuff like his resume and personal photos there.
anphanax can you take the URL out of your post?
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
LoL, the webmaster has a little underground operation going. He is freely distributing Photoshop 7 ;P
I don't think it's the webmaster. Anyhow, I removed my previous quote from anphanax's post and I think anphanax should do the same. And Tux is right. Someone email the guy.
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Originally posted by Panos:
I don't think it's the webmaster. Anyhow, I removed my previous quote from anphanax's post and I think anphanax should do the same. And Tux is right. Someone email the guy.
I doubt it is the Webmaster too(you never know though). I was just clowning.
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I e-mailed him...hope he gets it soon.
And of course Palladium will have bugs! It's from a legacy and family of buggy products.
Worst part is, those bugs will be in the hardware with the fritz chips :(
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Originally posted by The_Muffin_Man/B0b:
I e-mailed him...hope he gets it soon.
And of course Palladium will have bugs! It's from a legacy and family of buggy products.
Worst part is, those bugs will be in the hardware with the fritz chips :(
Of course it will have bugs. All software(including your Open Source stuff) has bugs. Don't even try saying Open Source isn't full of bugs because that would be a blatent lie. ;P
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Of course it will have bugs. All software(including your Open Source stuff) has bugs. Don't even try saying Open Source isn't full of bugs because that would be a blatent lie. ;P
Open source software does'nt have bugs on the scale that windows has and that means being fundamentally flawed. (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Of course it will have bugs. All software(including your Open Source stuff) has bugs. Don't even try saying Open Source isn't full of bugs because that would be a blatent lie. ;P
It has bugs, but open source software isn't full of bugs. Windows is full of bugs. So much, that it often stops operating. And that isn't good considering it is an "Operating System"...it isn't doing half the job.
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Originally posted by The_Muffin_Man/B0b:
It has bugs, but open source software isn't full of bugs. Windows is full of bugs. So much, that it often stops operating. And that isn't good considering it is an "Operating System"...it isn't doing half the job.
Windows XP hasn't stop working for me yet. Win2K never stopped operating either. Sure Win9x was so fucking bad that it needed to be re-installed like every few weeks...but that is not the case with NT(considering you don't have faulty hardware, you don't download a virus on a non-virus protected box or you don't install some poorly written hardware drivers).
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But that is only because your an expert(?), and can configure it right.
Looks like this guy has some very cool stuff, particularly music. (http://smile.gif)
Oh and IIRC, TCPA/Palladium means that stuff like Winamp and Photoshop will magically not work unless they pass MS testing. To pass MS testing they must implement the same DRM crap into their program.
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
I seriously doubt it. The Linux community has been saying that Linux will take over soon for the last 10+ years. Has it happened? No. It is nothing more than wishful thinking on the Linux communities' part.
Uh, not so fast... They haven't been saying that for 10+ years, Linus just wrote the kernel 10 years ago. Maybe about 6 or 8 years ago they started saying that. I was an early adopter and I was already puting it out on development group workstation desktops 8 years ago. I was in the *extreme* minority. Now look at how fast it's become popular as a server OS? Do you seriously think Novell, Sun, IBM, and Microsoft thought that were possible 6 or 8 years ago?
Remember, just 3 years ago Linux was not nearly as popular as it is as a server OS. I don't think it's too far of a stretch to think it could be as popular on the desktop in 3 years, as long as there are no political or monopolistic roadblocks (Palladium/TCPA/DMCA/etc).
[ October 24, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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The URL was removed.
I've been away a few days.
In the future I will leave strange things I find alone. :\
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
If MS does implement all of the BS to prevent people from sharing files, using non-DRMprotected media, etc. I'm sure there will be hacks out there(just like how the unhackable activation got hacked). I doubt that MS will be able to implement all of the media security stuff because other media players for Windows(like Winamp, Quicktime, etc.) will still be able to play non-protected media. For E-Mail...if you don't use Outlook Express I'm sure you will still be able to send whatever you want over E-Mail.
MS will not be able to stop users from using whatever they want on thier system. MS may be able to prevent users from doing stuff using MS software(like WMP and Outlook) but there will always be alternatives out there. ;P
[ October 24, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
Wasn't M$ aiming at getting DRM/TCPA stuff to be implemented as a part of the cpu chips as well or was that a figment of my imagination? I mean why else would they be 'working with' Intel and AMD and always refer to them as being for DRM changes?
NO FLAMES, just curious ;)
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they were, are, and will be. this is why MS is bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad
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Hi . . . just to update: The URL that was posted was a vhost somebody got a while ago. It belongs to some guy at MIT, as you pointed out, and isn't mine.
I told him about it, though. We'll see if he decides to close up shop.
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ya, we had this conversation in the lounge a while ago, but i quickly covered up the URL and posted it in the mod forum.