Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: mobrien_12 on 1 January 2006, 20:06
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http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/06/01/01/1021218.shtml?tid=109&tid=188&tid=137
From a developer's blog, Windows Vista will no longer support DVD-ROM drives that do not handle region coding in hardware (RPC1 drives) - thus preventing playback of DVDs that are region/CSS encoded with those drives.
I'm lucky enough to have one of those drives, so I can watch any DVD's from Europe or Japan or America that I want. But that pisses off the MPAA for some strange reason, and we all know Microsoft values the MPAA over the people who actually buy its software, so MS really doesn't want me as a customer.
Well, it's not like it makes any real difference to me. I stopped buying MS software when they put activation in it.
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I don't even understand the point of region encoding on DVDs - what exactly are they trying to accomplish?
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It's so you can't buy cheap films from another country (China?) and play them in your country, you have to pay more.
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we will still have linux that will hapilly support all the stuff pista won't.
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It's so you can't buy cheap films from another country (China?) and play them in your country, you have to pay more.
What fucking asshole came up with that idea? He/She should be hung.
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Oh well, I'll give this security feature 20 minutes to last :rolleyes:
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What fucking asshole came up with that idea? He/She should be hung.
I believe the MPAA, working with the hardware compaines, sony, etc. That's the thing that sucks about being in the US, is that everything is controlled by business, heck, even politics. So what they want, we get.
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The funny thing is that people in other countries just sell rips of US dvds. So if you have a region 1 player, you can play all the fun imported pirate stuff.
More interestingly, how will this move affect regionless dvds? It's pretty much only porn stuff, but still - will those play in a Microsoft-controlled computer?
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More interestingly, how will this move affect regionless dvds? It's pretty much only porn stuff, but still - will those play in a Microsoft-controlled computer?
It should have no effect, Microsoft's actions will only effect region-free hardware (RPC-1 drives).
Regionless DVD's themselves actually have a valid region code (region 0) and work within the system, regardless of whether the hardware is multi-region or locked.
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Yet another reason NOT to got Vista ... that's 1,000,000,001 reasons and counting ...
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It should have no effect, Microsoft's actions will only effect region-free hardware (RPC-1 drives).
Regionless DVD's themselves actually have a valid region code (region 0) and work within the system, regardless of whether the hardware is multi-region or locked.
I believe that some time ago, I heard of DVD drives that allowed the user to set the region code and dynamically change it whenever they want. Was my source insane, or does such an animal exist and therefore by definition bypass this retarded "security" (of MPAA profits) feature?
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you can change the region code on computer DVD drives a maximum of 5 times
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I believe that some time ago, I heard of DVD drives that allowed the user to set the region code and dynamically change it whenever they want. Was my source insane, or does such an animal exist and therefore by definition bypass this retarded "security" (of MPAA profits) feature?
I remember hearing about this, too - and no, Lead Head, he doesn't mean standard changes (which can actually be reset, though the method escapes me). One of the places I heard about it mentioned some method to modify the hardware to ignore region codes and just read the titles (which could also be altered so that the user could change the region code whenever they want to whatever they want). Another method I heard was more obscure, and involved something along the lines of assigning an emulated drive to the same device driver as a physical DVD drive, taking care to only alter the region-code of the virtual drive as necessary. It could then be unloaded and reloaded once the five changes were used up. Again, I don't recall any of the sites offhand, and most of this is secondhand information, but I don't doubt that such methods exist somewhere. ;)
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RPC2 drives are locked to a region. You can change the region five times.
There are people who write unofficial patched firmware to convert some drives to RPC1 drives (which MS won't support anymore :fu: ). You flash the drives and you have a regionless DVD-ROM drive now, if the firmware doesn't bork the drive.
There are also similar "unofficial" firmware flashes for some drives to allow you to reset the codes many more times than those MPAA bastards want.
The real reason behind the region controls is what all this "DRM" crap has been about since the beginning: the big media companies want to take control of content away from the people they sell it to.
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the big media companies want to take control of content away from the people they sell it to.
That's the thing about copyrighted content - even if you sell it, you don't "sell" it. I paid to have a private copy of "The Two Towers", but I sure as heck don't own it in any sense of the word.
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That's the thing about copyrighted content - even if you sell it, you don't "sell" it. I paid to have a private copy of "The Two Towers", but I sure as heck don't own it in any sense of the word.
Respecfully, I disagree. You are believing what the MPAA and the RIAA has been saying, not what copyright law says. Don't believe them.
Someone sells a copy, they sell a copy. Period. Copyright law only covers the rights to copy something. Media and software companies are trying to get people to believe that you don't own what you buy. Don't believe them. Don't accept their philosophy, which has nothing to do with justice and morality, but solely is a doctrine to conveniently make them more money and force you to buy things more than once.
I own the copies of Win98 and Office 97 that I paid for, no matter what MS says. I own all my CD's no matter what the RIAA and SONY are trying to tell us. I don't own the rights to copy and distribute (beyond what is covered in fair use doctrine). If companies start to whine that content is "their intellectual property" beyond what conventional copyright law covers, they should just keep their precious "intellectual property" to themselves.
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Vista also won't work with AthlonXP/Durons... I don't know if this is because MS is in bed with Intel, or because SSE2 will be that fundamental to run it.
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Vista also won't work with AthlonXP/Durons... I don't know if this is because MS is in bed with Intel, or because SSE2 will be that fundamental to run it.
Well, I'm not upgrading to it, so that just reassures me why I'm not upgrading. ;)
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Vista also won't work with AthlonXP/Durons...
Incredible.
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You know an OS is good when the hardware it requires is has ether barely been relesed or has yet to be.
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Well all those bells and whistles don't just render themselves now, do they?
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Vista also won't work with AthlonXP/Durons... I don't know if this is because MS is in bed with Intel, or because SSE2 will be that fundamental to run it.
I really have a hard time believing that MS would be so stupid as to throw away all the AMD users, or that AMD would sit idly by and be left behind. Do you have a link to this?
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Respecfully, I disagree. You are believing what the MPAA and the RIAA has been saying, not what copyright law says. Don't believe them.
Someone sells a copy, they sell a copy. Period. Copyright law only covers the rights to copy something. Media and software companies are trying to get people to believe that you don't own what you buy. Don't believe them. Don't accept their philosophy, which has nothing to do with justice and morality, but solely is a doctrine to conveniently make them more money and force you to buy things more than once.
I own the copies of Win98 and Office 97 that I paid for, no matter what MS says. I own all my CD's no matter what the RIAA and SONY are trying to tell us. I don't own the rights to copy and distribute (beyond what is covered in fair use doctrine). If companies start to whine that content is "their intellectual property" beyond what conventional copyright law covers, they should just keep their precious "intellectual property" to themselves.
Well, perhaps the status of ownership and transferability of rights is not quite so clear when it comes to music and movies. But by agreeing to Microsoft's EULA, you are signing a legal contract which says that you don't actually own the software, and therefore cannot do anything with it except install it. I'd relate this back to the original discussion, but I can't remember what the point was ;)
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I've flashed 4 drives. Some Sony dvds supposedly won't play on 'modified' drives, but I have free software that got around that. (VLC). Even if Vista refuses to recognize the drive, it's still software, and software can be 'patched'. Some of the old cd drives weren't bootable. If you wanted to install Win95 or 98 you were forced to boot from a floppy first.
IsoBuster bypasses Windows and hardware drm now. I've force read commercial dvds that way.
Vista is a dead end if this is the way it's going.
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Vista also won't work with AthlonXP/Durons... I don't know if this is because MS is in bed with Intel, or because SSE2 will be that fundamental to run it.
Wow ... yet another reason not to switch ... maybe we should look for reasons to switch ... there are far fewer of them
I mean I want an Athlon for my next computer (it seems to be superior to a comparably priced intel chip) ... is Gates really going to force me to get an Intel instead ? ... only if I buy Vista
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Wow ... yet another reason not to switch ... maybe we should look for reasons to switch ... there are far fewer of them
I mean I want an Athlon for my next computer (it seems to be superior to a comparably priced intel chip) ... is Gates really going to force me to get an Intel instead ? ... only if I buy Vista
no. gates will force you to go a64.;)
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Bah. That's just too expensive, because that requires a whole new computer. :rolleyes:
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Actually if you look it up on google, Vista does work with Athlons ... but I changed my mind about Athlons for one reason ... 'Intel processors have a slowdown/shutdown circuit that will keep it from overheating.' ... most Athlons don't ... well unless you have your motherboard set up so it cuts the power to the AMD processor before it burns ... Intel on the other hand just slows the processor speed ... a much better solution in my opinion.
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Actually if you look it up on google, Vista does work with Athlons ... but I changed my mind about Athlons for one reason ... 'Intel processors have a slowdown/shutdown circuit that will keep it from overheating.' ... most Athlons don't ... well unless you have your motherboard set up so it cuts the power to the AMD processor before it burns ... Intel on the other hand just slows the processor speed ... a much better solution in my opinion.
Note that overheating is only an issue if you overclock, or you live on Venus, or think heatsinks are 'so 1999'.
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Well you gotta overclock ... I mean why not overclock ? ... ok then let's put it this way ... Intels are probably better for overclocking ...
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Well you gotta overclock ... I mean why not overclock ? ... ok then let's put it this way ... Intels are probably better for overclocking ...
Depends, for what? Speed or saftey? A computer would probably become unstable (OS wise) before it blew up.
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Depends, for what? Speed or saftey? A computer would probably become unstable (OS wise) before it blew up.
not if you do it right ... but you gotta know what you're doing for this one ... either way Intels have a much lower chance of "blowing up" than Athlons which makes them better for overclocking ...