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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: Aloone_Jonez on 1 June 2004, 03:40
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Me and my family purchased a PC about 2 months ago (not brill 1800MHz AMD 256MB RAM 40GB hard drive), it came with Microcock Winbolze Xpee already installed. It ran well for all of 3 days, then (for no apparent reason) it started to display stupid error messages when shut down (GUI error blah...), we hadn't even connected to the Internet.
When we did connect all was well for a week (apart from the previous problem) then for some reason we contracted the netsky virus, the latest update for our virus scanner fixed it (or it said it did but we still get messages saying that some non-existent file is infected.). Now every now and again it hangs even when it's not being used!
Someone at work said to me
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Use Windows 2000, not XPee.
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As stated by Xeen, if you have to use Windows, 2000 is the lesser evil.
That being said...you really can't expect to migrate to a new operating system and not have a learning curve. Redhat is indeed a good version for getting your feet wet. You can use the GUI to do things while you get accustomed to the commands. Another thing to keep in mind...the standard kernel is somewhat bloated, and recompiling the kernel without the things you don't need will speed it up.
Regarding your modem, http://linmodems.org/ (http://linmodems.org/) has good information on getting your modem working.
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Maybe you should have read up on Linux before attempting to use it? The 1gig to install Linux comes from installing a shitload of applications that come with the cds. maybe next time, look at what you are installing before saying that it is bloated. I ran a 128mb install of linux for a while, so do not for a minute try to say that it is bloated.
And I am actually surprised that WindowsXP gave you so many errors without you actually fucking something up, or installing some crap ass software.
I have been able to run XP rather solid for quite a while now (amazing, especially reading some of my earlier rants ;) ), mostly because I am not an idiot. I do not install warez, or misc software. And i certainly do not get online without up to date virus software. I am more inclined to believe that you just do not know what you are doing, rather than its "Linsux" or "Winblowz" fault.
My redhat machine boots up faster than my XP box.
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Linux doesn't take near as long to boot up as Windows, after a long usage. Linux stays the same amount of time on loading while Windows gets slower and slower over a month or two. The only reason you probably realized that it was taking "forever" to load was because it's showing you exactly what's happening. Kernel messages tell you if everything boots okay. As with Windows it's a complete secret because they give you the loading screen that just shows a progress bar. I would much rather make sure that my computer is booting 100% okay than never know what's going on.
Linux never locks up persay unless there's a Kernel error or something systematically devistating happens. Which, is understandable as Windows locks up whenever a third party application tries to do a basic task. Let's say typing.
I have had many troubles with XP giving me error messages of blah blah blah must be a bug "End Task." While back in the 98 days there was a message stating an "Illegal Operation." Notice the similarities? Windows doesn't change old habits it just rewords them.
I don't really see any updates in XP from a more stable 95. Unless, you count more failures that lead to uncontrollable shut downs. And the fact that XP is much slower on a 1GHz computer than 95 is on a 133MHz. I know everything I might say sounds cliche, but it's all so true.
Ha, XP's attempt at a "GUI" is pathetic. So much to the fact that if you really want to change the look but it still basically be the same that you have to pay for "Plus!" I mean the look of your PC isn't that important, but that's the only difference in why you would want to switch from 2000 or 95 or something. I mean KDE and Gnome are far more advanced in their GUI.
In another note, you yourself also said that it didn't lock up "as much as winbloze." So I ask you this... What's the point in STILL using Windows?
Edit: Oh and on another note... bloatware. 1GB to install is not that damn bad. If you look at it half of that stuff isn't even needed for the system, yet, extra software that you might want to use. You don't have to install it. Windows XP takes around 3GB on a full install if I remember correctly. Linux will probably take around 2GB if you install all the bonus software... Just something to think about.
P.S. Bloatware doesn't necessarily mean that it's big in size. It means that with everytime they put out an update it seems to get twice as large as the last update, and so forth. Microsoft does that a lot. Also, I would like you to try Linux for a year and see if you get one single Virus. Viruses on Linux are sooo rare that I highly doubt you will get one in 2 to 4 years of usage. By then Linux will be so far ahead of Windows you won't even really think of Windows as a choice.
[ May 31, 2004: Message edited by: enjoijeff ]
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XP takes 1.2 gigs to install, and to install everything on a redhat distro, including all the exta software, is around 6 gigs. That is alot of extra software though. I know that once I am done updating and installing my software for windows, its around 20-25 gigs, far more than my linux box after the same treatment.
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I fucking hate XP with a passion. I mean, what's up with the skinnable startmenu and fucking error messages? XP service pack should be called Demolition pack. (http://graemlins/scared.gif)
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Thanks for you all your opinions/help on the matter.
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Use Windows 2000, not XPee.
Good Idea Xeen. We use Win2k at work, but I don't want to send off any more money to Microcock.
Do you think I should borrow a copy of a friend? or Should I dig out my old Winbloze 98 CD?
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you really can't expect to migrate to a new operating system and not have a learning curve.
Couldn't agree you more Rio, I don't think Linsux is hard to use I just think it sucks, it was hard
enough to migrate my family away from M$ works to OpenOffice.org. Linsux will be impossible, and I don't like to force things on people.
I will however, continue to duel boot me system. I will check out the linmodem stuff too. I'm glad my PC came with Winbloze because if I had bought a blank PC, I would be fucked, unless I installed Winbloze.
How could I have got Linsux to work then?
If I didn't have a Winbloze CD I would've borrowed one and the removed it when I found a driver for my modem. These no legal way to set up a blank PC with Linsux!
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Another thing to keep in mind...the standard kernel is somewhat bloated, and recompiling the kernel without the things you don't need will speed it up.
How the Fuck do you do that?
I'm a newB remember.
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Maybe you should have read up on Linux before attempting to use it?
Well xyle_one, I did but obviously not enough, when my colleague recommend duel booting he also told me to read the Redtwat linsux manual CD on a Winbloze machine before I installed.
It was so fucking big!
I just briefly scanned through the relevant bits.
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maybe next time, look at what you are installing before saying that it is bloated.
You're right I should.
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I ran a 128mb install of linux for a while
How the fuck did you do that?
What settings did you use?
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and I am actually surprised that WindowsXP gave you so many errors without you actually fucking something up, or installing some crap ass software.
Perhaps it's my PC vendors fault!
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I have been able to run XP rather solid for quite a while now
You're obviously joking of course.
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I do not install warez, or misc software.
Be more descriptive, what do you mean by
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Originally posted by xyle_one:
Maybe you should have read up on Linux before attempting to use it? The 1gig to install Linux comes from installing a shitload of applications that come with the cds. maybe next time, look at what you are installing before saying that it is bloated. I ran a 128mb install of linux for a while, so do not for a minute try to say that it is bloated.
And I am actually surprised that WindowsXP gave you so many errors without you actually fucking something up, or installing some crap ass software.
I have been able to run XP rather solid for quite a while now (amazing, especially reading some of my earlier rants ;) ), mostly because I am not an idiot. I do not install warez, or misc software. And i certainly do not get online without up to date virus software. I am more inclined to believe that you just do not know what you are doing, rather than its "Linsux" or "Winblowz" fault.
My redhat machine boots up faster than my XP box.
PS This guy is a Mac Bitch :D
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I use Windows 98, and it ran fairly smoothly for about 3 years when we got it in 2000, but now it's ran into so many problems. It's really doing my head in! Maybe I'll list a few of the error messages and problems when I get time...
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Originally posted by enjoijeff:
The only reason you probably realized that it was taking "forever" to load was because it's showing you exactly what's happening. Kernel messages tell you if everything boots okay. As with Windows it's a complete secret because they give you the loading screen that just shows a progress bar.
It's never worked for me, but apparently if you press the SHIFT key while that splash screen is displayed, it'll disapear. It's never worked though. I read that in the help files of Winguides Tweak Manager.
[ June 01, 2004: Message edited by: Col ]
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Originally posted by Col:
It's never worked for me, but apparently if you press the SHIFT key while that splash screen is displayed, it'll disapear.
Nope. You have to edit c:\msdos.sys, and add a line called Splash=o to it. Can't remember what section, though.
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Originally posted by Tux:
PS This guy is a Mac Bitch :D
lol, true ;)
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You're obviously joking of course.
No, I am not joking. My XP install is working perfectly right now, and has been for a while. Of course, I do not use it as much as my mac or redhat box, and that might have something to do with it.
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Okay, everyone seems to be quoting me on the booting up part. My ideal is simple if you have something to read then you "feel" like it's taking "FOREVER!" But if you have something nice and pretty to look at going back and forth or something then you are like wow that went by fast... I think you should try to time which goes faster you might be surprised or you might prove me wrong both of which I don't care.
Oh and have you ever realized how long it takes Windows to run the start up applications? Gee whiz. You can't just start using your computer right away because you are waiting for all your applications to load... That always made me mad because I always had to wait an extra like 30 seconds to a minute sometimes more for that...
[ June 01, 2004: Message edited by: enjoijeff ]
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Fedora has a nice little screen like XP when its booting up. I prefer to see what is loading, and the status as it loads though. I am also under the impression that even though windows gets to the desktop quickly, it still has to load a bunch of other shit, like those items you have in the start up folder, and all the items that show in the task bar next the clock. When linux boots to the desktop its ready to use, windows is not. Get it.
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I will however, continue to duel boot me system. I will check out the linmodem stuff too. I'm glad my PC came with Winbloze because if I had bought a blank PC, I would be fucked, unless I installed Winbloze.
How could I have got Linsux to work then?
If I didn't have a Winbloze CD I would've borrowed one and the removed it when I found a driver for my modem. These no legal way to set up a blank PC with Linsux!
One way would be to purchase a modem that isn't hard wired into the system. I've got a few spare modems floating around that I've pulled out of old computers. If you want one, I'll send one to you for the cost of shipping. One other thing to consider though, is that if your ISP requires special software (such as AOL, MSN, etc) Linux may not work. I've never tried using such programs with Wine.
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How the Fuck do you do that?
I'm a newB remember.
Sorry, I should have been more specific. This was meant to give you something to read up as you get familiar with your Linux system, assuming you decided to continue running Linux. A search on Google will turn up plenty of tutorials.
Also, on a side note, the mounting of the cdrom and floppy has a purpose. It's actually built in because Linux is a multi user operating system. It's designed to prevent another user from removing media that someone else is using. Given time, you'll be typing "mount /mnt/floppy" without even thinking about it. It's like driving a manual transmission. People who aren't used to it will complain about how much of a pain the clutch is, when in fact, you have more control over the engine. Mount is similar in this respect.
Regarding the family using Linux...this tends to be a non-issue when switching people over, in my experience. The difficulty in switching to Linux is in the configuration. Once configured, it runs and runs and runs, little to no maintenance. In switching your family to openoffice.org, you've already tackled one of the hardest parts: new software. From here, it's just learning the menu structure (which you can customize to fit their needs). Hopefully you've also already started switching them to Mozilla instead of IE.
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Blow up Winbloze?
Imagine the newspaper article
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Originally posted by enjoijeff:
Gee whiz. You can't just start using your computer right away because you are waiting for all your applications to load... That always made me mad because I always had to wait an extra like 30 seconds to a minute sometimes more for that...
Bah, that's nothing. I really hate it when you bot up, everything looks fine after that life-long wait, and an error message comes up:
"Windows encountered an error while processing the system registry. Windows will now reboot and correct this problem"
It's something like that anyway. Why the hell does it have to reboot? Why for God's sake didn't it fix the problem when it first noticed it?! :mad:
[ June 02, 2004: Message edited by: Col ]
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Originally posted by Col:
Bah, that's nothing. I really hate it when you bot up, everything looks fine after that life-long wait, and an error message comes up:
"Windows encountered an error while processing the system registry. Windows will now reboot and correct this problem"
It's something like that anyway. Why the hell does it have to reboot? Why for God's sake didn't it fix the problem when it first noticed it?! :mad:
[ June 02, 2004: Message edited by: Col ]
Hehe I remember getting TONS of those. It made me sooo mad!
I find that if you have an av/anti-virus scanner or a fire wall, windows gets EXTREAMLY dicy. If you patch windows, eather py patching the os itself or updating the dat files. I found that I had imediate problems. To the point that if I was infected in some way it wouldn't of made a difference.
But I did learn a few things. Just by keeping windows completely off the net. Not installing ANY "3rd party" software (just use the basic m$ stuff which wasn't allot) and keep scandisking, checking and rebuilt (hardware checking every month or so) would mean that even win95 can be just as stable and even more secure than windowsXP! :D (http://tongue.gif)
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In the bloated respect, Redhat is like WinXP. To get rid of the bloat you need to compile your own kernel. Thing is, I don't know how to do it, you don't know how to do it and all newbies don't know how to do it.
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In the bloated respect, Redhat is like WinXP.
WHAT? Certainly not. Mandrake is more bloated than Redhat...I installed Mdk and had 85 processes running (with KDE), and Fedora with KDE was 65. But indeed, the default kernel is a bloat problem.
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Thing is, I don't know how to do it, you don't know how to do it and all newbies don't know how to do it.
When I was a n00b I learned how within a week (http://tongue.gif) though it may be tougher with today's hardware. Also, kernel 2.6 will speed everything up, though it currently has a nasty problem that messes up dual boots, so don't touch that for the moment. (http://redface.gif)
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Originally posted by WMD:
When I was a n00b I learned how within a week (http://tongue.gif) though it may be tougher with today's hardware. Also, kernel 2.6 will speed everything up, though it currently has a nasty problem that messes up dual boots, so don't touch that for the moment. (http://redface.gif)
yea, I agree! I think I waited for the 2.4 kernel hit around the teens. Think i'm gonna do that for the 2.6 as well (http://tongue.gif) (http://graemlins/tux.gif)
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Originally posted by WMD:
Nope. You have to edit c:\msdos.sys, and add a line called Splash=o to it. Can't remember what section, though.
Tell that to the people at Winguides!
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Originally posted by Col:
Tell that to the people at Winguides!
Sounds like a good idea, and would fit in with me because I like telling people how to fix stuff when they should know already. :D
However, helping Windows...is not in our interests here. (http://tongue.gif)
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Ok I'm an idiot, perhaps Linux doesn't suck quite so much after all!
Sorry, I should have been more patient with Linux!
Sorry, WMD if you thought my last post was dumb, the last bit was a joke though, well in fact the whole post sucked. I often say silly things when I'm pissed off, I just was just a bit fed-up and disappointed. I was expecting some sort of miracle OS that would solve all the problems I had with Microcock Winbloze Xpee!
The last thing I expected was more problems!
Oh by the way I've had a play around with Linux on a friend's computer, it looks pretty smart to me!
The games look cool and they run reasonably fast too! (well it is a 2.5GHz 1GB RAM monster so I'm not going to get my hopes up too much, I mean it's nearly powerful enough to run Wronghorn!)
Linux proberly wasn't keen on my computer it has a label on the case that says
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Originally posted by Aloone:
Me and my family purchased a PC about 2 months ago (not brill 1800MHz AMD 256MB RAM 40GB hard drive), it came with Microcock Winbolze Xpee already installed. It ran well for all of 3 days, then (for no apparent reason) it started to display stupid error messages when shut down (GUI error blah...), we hadn't even connected to the Internet.
When we did connect all was well for a week (apart from the previous problem) then for some reason we contracted the netsky virus, the latest update for our virus scanner fixed it (or it said it did but we still get messages saying that some non-existent file is infected.). Now every now and again it hangs even when it's not being used!
Someone at work said to me
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Oh by the way thanks for the offer Rio, how much would shiping cost from Indiana (US, I assume) to Bedford (UK)?, perhaps I might be better off asking the IT department at work for old modems.
I suppose the good thing about open source software is if it's bloatware you can cut the crap and recompile.
It looks like it'll be around $9 for a large (padded) envelope. If your IT department has some, this would probably be the best bet. I'm curious how many corporate computers still require modems though. With VPN and SSH, there's not much reason to dial in to a computer when you can make a secure connection over the internet. And there's not much reason to dial out when a connection can be shared over the office network.
Also...just FYI, the "Designed for Windows $_" is only good for determining exactly how bloated of an OS it will run quickly. Unfortunately, they don't make PCs with stickers that say "Designed for Redhat Linux", or at least....I haven't seen any.
[ June 03, 2004: Message edited by: Rio ]
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Originally posted by Aloone:
Sorry, WMD if you thought my last post was dumb, the last bit was a joke though, well in fact the whole post sucked. I often say silly things when I'm pissed off, I just was just a bit fed-up and disappointed.
Hey, don't worry...that bomb part was damn funny. I still laugh about it. :D
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Oh by the way I've had a play around with Linux on a friend's computer, it looks pretty smart to me! The games look cool and they run reasonably fast too! (well it is a 2.5GHz 1GB RAM monster so I'm not going to get my hopes up too much, I mean it's nearly powerful enough to run Wronghorn!)
Nvidia video cards have great Linux drivers downloadable from their website. ATI makes them too but theirs suck.
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Linux proberly wasn't keen on my computer it has a label on the case that says
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Originally posted by Aloone:
Me and my family purchased a PC about 2 months ago (not brill 1800MHz AMD 256MB RAM 40GB hard drive), it came with Microcock Winbolze Xpee already installed. It ran well for all of 3 days, then (for no apparent reason) it started to display stupid error messages when shut down (GUI error blah...), we hadn't even connected to the Internet.
When we did connect all was well for a week (apart from the previous problem) then for some reason we contracted the netsky virus, the latest update for our virus scanner fixed it (or it said it did but we still get messages saying that some non-existent file is infected.). Now every now and again it hangs even when it's not being used!
Someone at work said to me
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Originally posted by insomnia:
Lol
You're truly retarted.
Get a working linux system and stop acting like a stupid kid.
(or buy a PS2)
(http://graemlins/tux.gif)
[ June 03, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
That was uncalled for.....
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Originally posted by solarflare:
Simple solution - Buy a Mac and it will solve the problem!
Go to www.apple.com (http://www.apple.com) - prices start from $699!
its 799
but i agree, if those two haven't suited your needs a mac might be something to give a try.
of course try before you buy
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I wish people would read my most resent post before having a go at me! - and buy the way I already do have a PS2, I just think it's nice to play a few games on my PC every now and then, I also like 3D screen savers!
Anyway I've finally managed to get a stable Redhat 9.0 Linux installation up and running , and I'm in the process of compiling the Pctel winmodem driver
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Two things:
First, KDE and Gnome are quite bloated IMO, and if you want an extremely fast interface, check out Fluxbox. A google search should provide mirrors, faqs, and themes.
Second, more manufacturers are providing drivers for Linux now. Your best bet is to check the manufacturers website or search google for a mirror for the driver.
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"The graphics are slower in Linux than Winbloze as it doesn't support my graphics accelerator!"
What graphics accelerator do you get? Remove any 3d drivers in Windows XP, replaced it with a generic driver and compared to Linux that use generic drivers.
I have test Blender 3D on both Windows XP and Fedora Core 2. Both uses 3d graphics accelerators with noticeable increase of performace. Blender 3D initial loading is faster in Fedora Core 2 than Windows XP.
The point is it is unfair to compared system that use optimized driver with system with generic driver as it is related to the user.
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How about we stop with all the shitty nicknames? Seriously, you people have no subtlety. It's not humorous when you say "Winbloze" or "Redtwat" or "MicroBIGFUCKINGPEICEOFSHIT". Try to downplay it a little, at least.
Personally, I think calling it "Microsoft" is insulting enough. (hint: think genitals)
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There's a very decent operating system for the PC! It's called yellowTAB Zeta (http://www.yellowtab.com/). Only problem is, there aren't much programs and games for it.
But people should definitally try it out if they dislike Windows and Linux.
Edit: if you don't want to pay for Zeta, here's a free edition of something simular on which Zeta is based. It's just as cool ;) BeOS Max (http://www.beosmax.org/)
[ June 26, 2004: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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Originally posted by Claris:
How about we stop with all the shitty nicknames? Seriously, you people have no subtlety. It's not humorous when you say "Winbloze" or "Redtwat" or "MicroBIGFUCKINGPEICEOFSHIT". Try to downplay it a little, at least.
Yeah, I agree. To be honest, I think they sound childish. Sometimes, when I'm really angry at it because it's gone wrong again, I'll call Windows a name like that, but usually I just call it Windows or Linux.
And there's another thing - settle an argument between me and a mate, lol! A childish one:
Linux. Is it promounced lie-nuks or lin-nuks?
Or something completely different?! lol! Sorry!
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Originally posted by Col:
Linux. Is it promounced lie-nuks or lin-nuks?
Or something completely different?! lol! Sorry!
I've always said lin-nuks. My 7th grade science teacher called it lie-nuks. Linus, in a sound clip, says "lee-nuks."
Who knows.
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Originally posted by Rio:
Two things:
First, KDE and Gnome are quite bloated IMO, and if you want an extremely fast interface, check out Fluxbox. A google search should provide mirrors, faqs, and themes.
Second, more manufacturers are providing drivers for Linux now. Your best bet is to check the manufacturers website or search google for a mirror for the driver.
I've had a look, but not tried FluxBox yet, it looks cool, but thats the problem, looking cool is good but the themes and skins are what seems to slow KDE & KNOME down for me.
Is there a way to get rid of them?
If this is not possible in KDE & KNOME is it posible in FLUXBOX?
I've recently seen an older version of Red Hat Linux running on an old 486 100MHz, and the graphics are nearly as fast as my 1800MHz machine.
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Originally posted by zao:
"The graphics are slower in Linux than Winbloze as it doesn't support my graphics accelerator!"
What graphics accelerator do you get? Remove any 3d drivers in Windows XP, replaced it with a generic driver and compared to Linux that use generic drivers.
I have test Blender 3D on both Windows XP and Fedora Core 2. Both uses 3d graphics accelerators with noticeable increase of performace. Blender 3D initial loading is faster in Fedora Core 2 than Windows XP.
The point is it is unfair to compared system that use optimized driver with system with generic driver as it is related to the user.
I agree, I think you my have misunderstood me, I was saying what really sucks about Linux is the lack of graphics accelerator support for my particular graphics card, I have scoured the Internet and I still can't find a prober driver for my graphics card, this also goes for some of my other hardware e.g. printer, digital camera etc. and you can't just install a modem driver you have to compile it as well as some of the kernal.
How retardedly stupid?
I have even heard that Linux will not run at all on some computers!
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Originally posted by Claris:
How about we stop with all the shitty nicknames? Seriously, you people have no subtlety. It's not humorous when you say "Winbloze" or "Redtwat" or "MicroBIGFUCKINGPEICEOFSHIT". Try to downplay it a little, at least.
Personally, I think calling it "Microsoft" is insulting enough. (hint: think genitals)
I agree, I only called Red Hat Linux,
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I've had a look, but not tried FluxBox yet, it looks cool, but thats the problem, looking cool is good but the themes and skins are what seems to slow KDE & KNOME down for me.
Is there a way to get rid of them?
If this is not possible in KDE & KNOME is it posible in FLUXBOX?
I've recently seen an older version of Red Hat Linux running on an old 486 100MHz, and the graphics are nearly as fast as my 1800MHz machine.
The great thing about Fluxbox is that it's attributes are based on text based config files.
So a flashy looking fluxbox is going to run much faster than a bare bones gnome or kde.
FYI, check out http://dockapps.org (http://dockapps.org) for the applications that show cpu load, free memory, etc.
Also, the transparent terminals you see are either aterm or eterm. I've always preferred aterm http://aterm.sourceforge.net (http://aterm.sourceforge.net)
Good luck with Fluxbox
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As a Microsoft supporter all I have to say is those terms don't piss me off at all. I find them rather childish. I would never be inclined to take the advice of people who act like 12 year olds. I would be more likely to switch if I was taking the advice of a person who acts like a mature adult who knows what he is talking about.
I think it is childish to call anything silly names. I would never take a windows zealot seriously if he was going around calling Linux names like Linsucks, Lamenux, etc. The internet would be a better place if there were more mature adults around.
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The great thing about Fluxbox is that it's attributes are based on text based config files.
And KDE/Gnome don't use text based config files?
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I have scoured the Internet and I still can't find a prober driver for my graphics card
What card is this?
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the names are shitty, dude. drop 'em.
anyway, don't bitch about things not working. I'm a badass 'cos I run Red Hat 8, and I'm beating it into submission.
tell us what your hardware is so we can actually help you instead of just saying "my video card"
if you've got a storebought machine, I'll wager that it's some form of integrated video. likely Intel 810... in which case, you should have an accelerated server for that.
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And KDE/Gnome don't use text based config files?
Dunno. They probably do. But all the eye candy definately takes it's toll. It's been at least a year since I've used either KDE or Gnome for more than 5 minutes...so I'm can't say how they handle things now. I should have probably clarified that though. Fluxbox has config files that are easy for the user to edit. It may be for lack of looking, but I've only seen programs designed to change the look and feel of KDE or Gnome. I guess I just like the minimalist approach to Fluxbox and Blackbox.
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Me and my family purchased a PC about 2 months ago (not brill 1800MHz AMD 256MB RAM 40GB hard drive), it came with Microcock Winbolze Xpee already installed.
Not only did you bastardize two insult spellings of "Windows" (Winblows and Windoze), you misspelled it. GREAT JORB.
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It ran well for all of 3 days, then (for no apparent reason) it started to display stupid error messages when shut down (GUI error blah...), we hadn't even connected to the Internet.
There's gotta be a reason. Problems don't just show up. You did something... probably installed an assload of bullshit games and 50 crappy half-ass photo editors. Oh yeah, OEM installs always suck shit. Same is true of Mac OS X. I fucking hate OEM installs of any OS. Not only are they always more unstable, they're always weighted down with a million crappy ass apps, ad-ware, and shitty ass "OEM custom" features that fuck things up.
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When we did connect all was well for a week (apart from the previous problem) then for some reason we contracted the netsky virus, the latest update for our virus scanner fixed it (or it said it did but we still get messages saying that some non-existent file is infected.). Now every now and again it hangs even when it's not being used!
This is your own fault for not installing the damn security updates. Those are released for a reason.
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Someone at work said to me
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Aloone, don't get too discouraged. Jimmy does this to everybody. :D It's fun to read but lots of people just don't know until they come here. You have been saved. It only gets better. ;)
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Indeed. I should have said "welcome to Linux, friend".
so..
Welcome to Linux, friend! it's worth it.
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
Indeed. I should have said "welcome to Linux, friend".
so..
Welcome to Linux, friend! it's worth it.
:D Thanks JimmyJames, I still look back on my first two posts an laugh!
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the names are shitty, dude. drop 'em.
What do you mean?
I'm surprised that people here at http://forum.microsuck.com (http://forum.microsuck.com) are so against silly nicknames for Microsoft products!
Perhaps this site should be in for another name change!
Oh well if you people hate them so much, I will try to refrain from using them, It has become a habit though. I find myself using them in college work.
ps According to Control Panel my graphics card:
Chip Type: S3 ProSavage DDB
DAC Type: S3 SDAC
Memory Size: 32MB
Adapter String: S3 Compatible Display Adapter
Bios Version: 78.60.00.10
Linux uses a generic S3 Adapter driver which is slow, and only detects 16MB of video RAM. I have set it to 32MB with negligible difference in performance.
[ June 29, 2004: Message edited by: Aloone ]
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Aloone: ps According to Control Panel my graphics card:
Chip Type: S3 ProSavage DDB
DAC Type: S3 SDAC
Memory Size: 32MB
Adapter String: S3 Compatible Display Adapter
Bios Version: 78.60.00.10
Linux uses a generic S3 Adapter driver which is slow, and only detects 16MB of video RAM. I have set it to 32MB with negligible difference in performance.
So what kind of videocard do you have? Slackware Linux 10 picks my GeForce 4 up as "VESA", but after installing the Linux drivers off nVidia.com (http://www.nvidia.com/), I was able to run Unreal Tournament 2004 on it at 1024
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Well, the S3 is certainly not an nVidia card.
S3 as a company ceases to exist. So, the generic S3 driver is probably your best bet, unless the manufacturer of your particular card has a driver. Go to the Device Manager in Windows, what's the name the of the card itself? (Or, look at the stuff that came with your computer.)
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WMD: Well, the S3 is certainly not an nVidia card.
S3 as a company ceases to exist. So, the generic S3 driver is probably your best bet, unless the manufacturer of your particular card has a driver. Go to the Device Manager in Windows, what's the name the of the card itself? (Or, look at the stuff that came with your computer.)
Did I say S3 was nVidia? Anyway, fuck Windows, hwinfo for MS-DOS (http://www.hwinfo.com/) kicks more ass. No need to boot into Windows. Maybe it'll even work with DOSEMU (http://www.dosemu.org/), but I'm not certain.
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I get exactly the same information about my graphics card from both control panel an device manager, and as for not booting into Windows and as for using hwinfo for MS-DOS, this is not possible as I'm using Winbloze Xpee, which has an NT not a DOS kernel. I did check and there is a windows version available, but it's shareware.
(http://graemlins/thumbsdown.gif) I fucking hate shareware, you can only use it for so long and then you have to register, and if you uninstall it always leaves some fucking shit behind to slow your computer down and make it so you can't reinstall.
Shareware at first seemed a good idea until I wondered why my old system was starting to slow down after I had tried out a few shareware programs and then I searched my registry and it was full of shit, my hard drive was also riddled with hidden files, and I noticed that every time I booted some of the shareware shit was still being loaded into memory even though I told Winbloze to delete it many years ago.
When I cleaned up my hard drive and rebooted I got loads of errors as Windows still expected the shit to still be there, then I cleaned up my registry, and finally I had to edit WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI.
And before you say, I'm not a total Fuck head I did uninstall everything properly (You know add remove programs) I didn't just delete the directories. (http://tongue.gif)
I bet all the shit that gets left behind is bloody retarded spyware.
Anyway (http://graemlins/fu.gif) shareware and (http://graemlins/fu.gif) all the companys that push shareware shit, their just as bad as bloody Bill Gates!
[ June 29, 2004: Message edited by: Aloone ]
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Why is shareware worse than payware?
You like spending money?
About the kernel compiling in GNU/Linux, any newbie can do this. Try the newbie forum from LQ, people ask those questions all the time and they always get help. You don't even have to understand what you're doing.
[ June 29, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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insomnia you cheap arse!
When you pay for software you pay for the developmant costs, ie the software engineers time. Because of this you often get a better product in the end.
Some free softare sucks and the proprietary equivalent is good, for example:
Microsoft Equation Editor (came with " :D M$ Works :D " OEM install on my PC) is good. (well they did buy it from Design Science Inc.)
The open source equivalent OpenOffice.org Math sucks horribly.
Equation Editor is compatable with OpenOffice.org too, and it't the only reason why I keep my " :D M$ Works :D " CD.
Also how many good open source games are there?
Perhaps someone should write some.
And there is some open source payware available, ever heard of Red Hat Linux, Linspire, or evan Mac OSX?
Not all developers are geeks like yourself who program just because they have nothing else better to do!
[ June 30, 2004: Message edited by: Aloone ]
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Mac OSX is not open source. The kernel and some other core tech is, but overall it's not open.
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When you pay for software you pay for the developmant costs, ie the software engineers time. Because of this you often get a better product in the end.
That's usually true in terms of how easy the program is to use, but not how good the programming job is. Take Windoze and lots of other MS software: it's easy to use, but the core tech is a load of crap. The opposite holds true for much free software.
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Also how many good open source games are there?
Tux Racer. I love that game. :D
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Originally posted by Aloone:
Also how many good open source games are there?
Perhaps someone should write some.
i think psyjax is making some kind of game, im not sure if it will be open source though.
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I didn't know that Mach was OSS
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Darwin, not Mach.
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[ July 01, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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Originally posted by Aloone:
insomnia you cheap arse!
When you pay for software you pay for the developmant costs, ie the software engineers time. Because of this you often get a better product in the end.
Some free softare sucks and the proprietary equivalent is good, for example:
Microsoft Equation Editor (came with " :D M$ Works :D " OEM install on my PC) is good. (well they did buy it from Design Science Inc.)
The open source equivalent OpenOffice.org Math sucks horribly.
Equation Editor is compatable with OpenOffice.org too, and it't the only reason why I keep my " :D M$ Works :D " CD.
Also how many good open source games are there?
Perhaps someone should write some.
And there is some open source payware available, ever heard of Red Hat Linux, Linspire, or evan Mac OSX?
Not all developers are geeks like yourself who program just because they have nothing else better to do!
[ June 30, 2004: Message edited by: Aloone ]
Why wasting time on people who post stupid crap like that.
Ban this jerk.
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Originally posted by insomnia:
Why wasting time on people who post stupid crap like that.
Ban this jerk.
ban him?
why?
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
ban him?
why?
Posting wrong facts.
Insulting people who even tried to help him.
Making these forums look childish.
Do you think any other forum whould accept his behaviour?
Ps: Bin this topic.
[ June 30, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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He's not acting out. He's saying things you disagree with.
Stop it yourself.
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So the "arse" thing was meant funny? (I stopped reading after that.)
Oh well, maybe you're right.
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I can see both your points.... well, not really.
Aloone, don't be so boorish and rude. What the hell did insomnia say to make you mouth off like that?
So, you guys simmer.
everybody else, come to my forums
http://jimmyjames.sytes.net/forum/ (http://jimmyjames.sytes.net/forum/)
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insomnia, I wasn't having a go, I just disagree with you. You really need to lighten up. I'm very suprised that the insults in my post upset you, when you post lame insults like this:
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Lol
You're truly retarted.
Get a working linux system and stop acting like a stupid kid.
(or buy a PS2)
(http://graemlins/tux.gif)
The piss poor insults didn't bother me, the only thing that did is that you only read my first post and then jumped to the wrong conclusion.
However I admit I've also done wrong by only reading half of your post, however I wish to make mends by responding to it:
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About the kernel compiling in GNU/Linux, any newbie can do this. Try the newbie forum from LQ, people ask those questions all the time and they always get help. You don't even have to understand what you're doing.
Thanks for your advice I will check it out when I have finished this mass of college work that needs to by handed in two weeks time.
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Originally posted by Aloone:
What do you mean?
I'm surprised that people here at http://forum.microsuck.com (http://forum.microsuck.com) are so against silly nicknames for Microsoft products!
Perhaps this site should be in for another name change!
Oh well if you people hate them so much, I will try to refrain from using them, It has become a habit though. I find myself using them in college work.
We usually don't care unless you use them every sentence, like you did.
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insomnia: So the "arse" thing was meant funny? (I stopped reading after that.)
Oh well, maybe you're right.
Niet iedereen is slim genoeg of vrije software te gebruiken, er zijn nog steeds sukkels die slechtere zooi kopen, terwijl het v
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Originally posted by Refalm:
Niet iedereen is slim genoeg of vrije software te gebruiken, er zijn nog steeds sukkels die slechtere zooi kopen, terwijl het v
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Not again! (http://redface.gif)
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Not everyone is malignant enough or uses free software, there are still suckers who buy worse (zooi), whereas the (v
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I really can't be bothered to argue about Freeware vs Payware I wish I had never started the argument, as I didn't want this to turn into a troll thread.
Anyway I've managed to increase the speed of Linux to some degree by cutting down on the eye candy, now I now only use 2 effects:
Show window contents while resizing.
Use anti-alised fonts.
Now Linux runs at the same speed as Xpee with all it's crap effects on.
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"the generic S3 driver is probably your best bet"
I have done some research and hardware support seems to be a real problem in Linux, I dosen't suport half the hardware that windows does. :( Unfortunately I will continue to use windows, at least for now.
There must be a work around to allow Linux to use Windows drivers, I know it can't be done with WINE, but the Captive project got me thinking.
Cheak it out:
http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive (http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive)
It's way of using the windows NTFS.SYS driver file to give Linux read/write access to NTFS partitions, it's based on React OS - http://www.reactos.com (http://www.reactos.com) - a free windows NT kernel clone.
If this can allow Linux to use the M$ Windows NTFS driver, then perhaps a Linux wrapper could also written for an NT printer or Winmodem driver. I am no professional programmer, I do know some Basic and 80386 assembler (NASM) though, so I would love to hear from anyone who's interested in such a project.
I personaly think the people at React OS are doing a good job, but they should realy be working on the WINE project rather than wasting their time on this.
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There must be a work around to allow Linux to use Windows drivers
Indeed! Linuxant (http://www.linuxant.com) has a wrapper for Windows wifi drivers. It doesn't work with USB ones (like mine :mad: ) but there's definately a market for this. WINE is a program/API emulator, there's no driver code there. WinModem drivers would be good, but as broadband takes over this will matter less over time.
The only problem is, how good ARE Windows drivers, and how would they affect overall stability?
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Originally posted by WMD:
Not sure of the rest, but that's roughly what he said. :D
Not even close.
(http://tongue.gif)
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I wish I had never started the argument, as I didn't want this to turn into a troll thread.
You could change the title.
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Anyway I've managed to increase the speed of Linux to some degree by cutting down on the eye candy, now I now only use 2 effects:
Show window contents while resizing.
Use anti-alised fonts.
Now Linux runs at the same speed as Xpee with all it's crap effects on.
That's normal.
Gnome and KDE have just as much eye candy.
Give xfce4 a try.
Install it via apt/synaptic.
It looks like GNOME but is way faster (and just as easy)
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here must be a work around to allow Linux to use Windows drivers
http://linmodems.org/ (http://linmodems.org/)
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Winmodems-and-Linux-HOWTO-1.html (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Winmodems-and-Linux-HOWTO-1.html)
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Insomnia, openoffices equation editor is hardly "the open source equivalent" to M$ offices one... Try "LyX", it has the best equation editor ever (hardly surprising, since LyX is basicly What-you-get-is-what-you-WANT-interface on top of LaTeX, which happens to be very good in handling equations).
That said, even the openoffices equation editor is quite usable for small stuff, it's just not as visual as the M$ one.
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S3 Savage. lol
no. Linux doesn't have a problem with hardware.
Red Hat 9 plays DVDs better in Xine than windows does on my box.
But then, I don't have a good DVD player app. I'm forced to use VideoLan because I can't find my nVidia DVD player CD! (http://redface.gif)
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Originally posted by Werre:
Insomnia, openoffices equation editor is hardly "the open source equivalent" to M$ offices one... Try "LyX", it has the best equation editor ever (hardly surprising, since LyX is basicly What-you-get-is-what-you-WANT-interface on top of LaTeX, which happens to be very good in handling equations).
That said, even the openoffices equation editor is quite usable for small stuff, it's just not as visual as the M$ one.
Indeed.
OpenOffice.org is allmost as bad as Ms Office.
...I already use LaTeX so I don't see the point in using LyX...
For an easy graphical office system, you could also try AbiWord.
http://www.latex-project.org/ (http://www.latex-project.org/)
http://www.abisource.com/ (http://www.abisource.com/)
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Originally posted by insomnia:
...I already use LaTeX so I don't see the point in using LyX...
LyX does have a significant advantage. By typing the markup language code in by hand, you have the opportunity to make a syntax error, which can sometimes be a pain in the neck to find and fix.
I use both... LaTeX more often than LyX.
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Originally posted by M. O'Brien:
LyX does have a significant advantage. By typing the markup language code in by hand, you have the opportunity to make a syntax error, which can sometimes be a pain in the neck to find and fix.
I use both... LaTeX more often than LyX.
It's still slower than LaTeX.
...and why making LaTeX WYSIWYM...?
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i only had to read the firstp age of replys...
most of you are retards..
how can u have any real issue with windows XP?
Linux is just as vulnrable to most straight forward hacking and virus attacks.
I install XP configure what i need to install 3 programs and ime secure. i dont even need to install security updates (although i usually do), and i dont use MSIE.
i could go all month with straight uptime, enjoy windows full on gaming, media and whatnot without 1 system error or crash.
i use my pc all day everyday from work tasks to leasure and gaming. no problems.
Stable fast and error free. ive got a shitload of apps running and installed "67 Processes right now".
And my system can take a beating, power failures that last to long for my ups, and the rare occasion i instal lsomething that apparently renders my pc unusable ... gotta spend a good while fixing it, Formatting is not an option !
Fixed - Good as new
If you cant get windows to run like this you must be a retard, windows is very straight forward to use, and even personalize... u dont need much skill to replace the uxtheme.dll and make your own skin. and ive worked in a local computer shop that sell and repair PC's for 6 months. 95% of the problems where the users been total retards using theyr PC, 60% of the jobs where the same customer returning with the same problem over and over.. and they have the nerve to say that we arent doing our job, maybe if they listen they wont get the same virus or other crap on theyr pc.
theyrs been alot of seriusly evil worms and viruses out and i havent been infected with even 1 and ive had a few people try to hack me, no one has succeeded, well i know that becuase my firewall loged the same IP for an entire week.
[ July 11, 2004: Message edited by: Visentinel ]
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Visentinel: and they have the nerve to say that we arent doing our job, maybe if they listen they wont get the same virus or other crap on theyr pc.
I had the same problem once. The issue here is people having Internet Explorer, Outlook Express, no firewall and no virusscanner.
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Visentinel: theyrs been alot of seriusly evil worms and viruses out and i havent been infected with even 1 and ive had a few people try to hack me, no one has succeeded, well i know that becuase my firewall loged the same IP for an entire week.
I'm sure you have a good firewall, a good virusscanner, and you're not using Internet Explorer. But does the everyday user have all that?
An operating system should be secured out of the box, which is something Linux, Mac OS X and BSD have.
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Visentinel: Linux is just as vulnrable to most straight forward hacking and virus attacks.
Linux is just as vulnrable? Man, that's just impossible. Although you can run Windows programs on Linux (http://www.winehq.org/), the two operating systems are nothing alike.
Also, you spelling is an indication that you didn't really put time in writing your little rambling. Common man, you're from Australia, I'm sure you can write better English than that. Shit, even I'm better than you at this moment, and I'm not even good at English.
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nope i did not put much time, i did not haveto think much to write that since its just a quick post and run.
here ile try and spell this time
No OS is Secure out of box for every configuration
Windows is bad for this, but who cares, i dont, i can fix the problems quickly in a few minutes after formatting. i wouldnt give up using the only real gameable os over a few minutes.
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I'm sure you have a good firewall, a good virusscanner, and you're not using Internet Explorer. But does the everyday user have all that?
An operating system should be secured out of the box, which is something Linux, Mac OS X and BSD have.
Dont see why they shouldnt.
Almost all Linux users are
Most windows users are total fools, Computer Illiterate = Ignorant - that run unsecure systems.
then we wonder why sites like these exist .... " sigh "
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Originally posted by Visentinel:
but who cares, i dont, i can fix the problems quickly in a few minutes after formatting.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
(...is this for real????...)
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(http://tongue.gif)
Yeh its for real, my system is nice and secure, bout as good as it gets without getting a pro in here to edit source code?
Hey nice Quotes btw
~ edit
You got an English Mirror of that site or will i haveto use google translate ( kinda bodgy ) ?
[ July 11, 2004: Message edited by: Visentinel ]
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Originally posted by Visentinel:
Hey nice Quotes btw
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You got an English Mirror of that site or will i haveto use google translate ( kinda bodgy ) ?
[ July 11, 2004: Message edited by: Visentinel ]
http://www.wpb.be/ (http://www.wpb.be/)
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Remember, these are the same linux usera who make fun of windows users for having anti-virus and firewalls.
And put chkrootkit into cron, and have iptables/ipchains running, and a squid box.
100% of security is up to the user.
If a linux user does not run iptables, and check for rootkit's. well, I have no sympathy if he gets r00ted.
If a windows user runs with no firewall, and without an anti-virus, no sympathy if his box becomes an open relay for spam.
Ammendum:
chkrootkit: http://www.chkrootkit.org/ (http://www.chkrootkit.org/) I would reccommend putting it in cron.
if you thought windows apps were insecure, you've never seen sendmail. ;P
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the common windows user that leaves theyr systems so insecure make windows look bad, and since theyr common, generally people think windows is just this unsecure OS that must die.
if linux had a billion people knocking at its door trying to find insecurities, linux would have just as much trouble as windows XP with security.
but it aint linux running on 600 million PCS arround the world.
Windows can be Secured, just as well as linux. just no one really tries :mad:
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Visentinel: if linux had a billion people knocking at its door trying to find insecurities, linux would have just as much trouble as windows XP with security.
You don't seem to understand that Linux is secure out of the box (of course you have to update it once in a while). Windows doesn't. It leaves all the vurnrable ports open (5000), and runs services which comprimises security (Messenger, UPnP, etc.).
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Visentinel
Why do you care? What's in it for you? Why do you give so much of a shit what OS other people run? Does it really matter to you that much? Would it ruin your life to know that one more person dual-boots to Linux? What does it matter?
You seem to be on the verge of being obsessive/compulsive about Windows. I run XP Pro on my box here because I like it. I dual boot to Red Hat 9 because I like it.
Just use what you like and shut the fuck up.
(http://members.cox.net/dark_helmet/forum-img/stfu-vote.gif)
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Yes, Jimmy but it's this subject makes an excellent debate, and we need to inform the misinformed and educate the uneducated.
Visentinel, good spelling, punctuation and grammar, helps makes posts easier to read, also it makes people take you more seriously. If you don't think about your posts, then why should people bother to read them?
If you have a problem with spelling or English in general, then type your posts into a word processor beforehand as I do.
I suffer from dyslexia, and my spelling is a lot better than yours.
Have you ever used Linux before?
[ July 14, 2004: Message edited by: Aloone ]
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
But then, I don't have a good DVD player app.
Try Ogle:
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/index.shtml (http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/index.shtml)
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No, he's missing a good DVD player for *Windows*, not Linux. He has Xine there. ;)
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yes. I have xine. it works very well. I have since found my nvidia discs and have installed NVDVD in windows
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I don't care what you people say but Linux does have, some major shortcomings, these are mostly down to lack of industry support.
You just don't get it do you, no one is going to use an OS that doesn't support their hardware fully, people will always return to Windows do some tasks, even if it's just downloading their digital camera.
I bet that most Linux users here dual boot, or have a separate Windows system. I find dual booting very inconvenient. I think that it's silly to use openoffice in Linux, then boot to Windows to extract a picture from my camera, then boot back into Linux, when I can just perform the whole procedure in Windows.
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Are you sure you can't use your camera as a USB storage device?
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I can just perform the whole procedure in Windows.
Then why don't you just use Windows? What are you, some kind of masochist? You obviously hate using Linux, but yet you continue to do so!
Why don't you just ditch Linux and go back to Windows full time?
OR... you could spend a little time... get yourself a new vid card, and more RAM (despite your arguments, 256MB is NOT ENOUGH)... and search for drivers for your shit.
What model digital camera do you have?
[ July 18, 2004: Message edited by: JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder ]
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Suddenly my spelling looks good!!!!
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Then why don't you just use Windows?
The main reasons why I like Linux are:
- Security, you don't have to run any anti-virus software.
- It is very easy to customise, with Linux the user interface is infinitely configurable, you can even have a Windows desktop if you wish.
- Bloat, I know this is an issue with some Linux distributions, but you can recompile the kernel and remove anything you don't need, or just use compact distributions. - I have not experimented with any of this yet, it just sounds cool.
- You can choose between 100s of distributions, if one doesn't suit you, it's easy to switch to a different one. - I have not tried this either, may one day I will.
- Stability, providing you set it up correctly Linux can be very stable.
What are you, some kind of masochist?
No!
You obviously hate using Linux, but yet you continue to do so!
No!
I don't hate either Windows or Linux!
To me Windows and Linux are just operating systems, I have no feelings towards them of either love or hate, to me a computer is just a means to an end, to get my work done. You should choose an operating system that enables you to use your system most efficiently.
I prefer Linux because it has a better user interface, and it's stable and secure.
I just use Windows because it supports my printer/scanner, digital camera and 3D graphics accelerator.
Why don't you just ditch Linux and go back to Windows full time?
Maybe, I will for now, but I'm not happy with Windows, and I still will play with Linux for now.
OR... you could spend a little time... get yourself a new vid card, and more RAM (despite your arguments, 256MB is NOT ENOUGH)... and search for drivers for your shit.
256MB should more than enough if you run a operating system that isn't bloated.
I might for security reasons disconnect my current system from the Internet and buy a second-hand PC to run Linux on and connect to the net. I can't see myself doing this any time soon though.
And I might buy "a new vid card" if Linux had drivers for the other shit!
What model digital camera do you have?
Nytech, ND-5040
And yes I did do a Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?q=Linux+drivers+Nytech+ND-5040&sourceid=firefox&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
Are you sure you can't use your camera as a USB storage device?
Yes, in XP I can, I plug it into the USB port and it auto-mounts the digital camera as drive.
Why do you dual boot Jimmy?
Why do you use Windows, if it blows so much?
Is there anything that you actually like about Windows?
You people here seem to think that Linux is perfect and any one who finds a fault with it is wrong. Linux is far from perfect, and it does have many shortcommings, and I know that there is no such thing as a perfect OS, I just use the one that suits me the most.
The problem is that neither Windows or Linux are suitable for me!
I don't like Windows, I think that Linux is a far better operating system.
I like the Linux dream.
Lets built a stable, secure, open source operating system based on good old tried and tested UNIX.
But unfortunately the Linux dream, will have to remain a dream, and I will continue to bitch about it.
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Yes, in XP I can, I plug it into the USB port and it auto-mounts the digital camera as drive.
So how do you know you can't use it? You don't need camera-specific drivers to access it as a usb storage device.
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Do you know what?
I've not tried it!
I just assumed that it needed a driver as it came with a driver CD.
I'm going to boot into Linux and try it now, wish me luck!
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Certainly doesn't auto-mount, and I've tried the regular disk mount tool.
Is there a command that I can use to accomplish the task?
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First do:
modprobe usb-storage
Add a line like this to /etc/fstab
/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat ro,noauto,user 0 0
Replace /mnt/usb with whatever directory you want to mount it as. You can then mount it with
mount /mnt/usb
You may be able to get it to automount with autofs, but I don't know; I don't use it.
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Thanks! (http://graemlins/thumbsup.gif)
This works, but it's retardedly slow, it takes minutes in Linux, and seconds in XP.
Is there anything I can do about this?
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It takes minutes just to mount, or to actually transfer files?
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Transfer files, when you click on a file, it takes ages for it to download, you can almost see it appear pixel by pixel.
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quote:
Originally posted by Viper:
I would be more likely to switch if I was taking the advice of a person who acts like a mature adult who knows what he is talking about.
So, the 'mature adult' has to be a man? Even though I am a man, I am against people who use language that is sexist, whether it's intentional or not.