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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: corvette on 22 May 2006, 20:03
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i would like to switch from windows but i am a gamer and is there a linux that can run windows programs and if which one???? i just want something like windows without all the crap and so i can use windows program
i am only asking because i am a beigneer at linux but i can learn quick
thanks
corvette
p.s wanst sure were to post so sorry if in wrong spot
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I don't think switching is what you really want to do. Sad to say that gaming is just not something that Linux is real strong on. And there's a lot of reasons for that, like distribution contracts and copyrights and the general attitude of many Linux users toward games in general. For at least the time being, games are going to be played on Windows machines. And if you want to game (but don't want to write your own game), you're pretty much stuck with Windows. Some people will tell you about Wine or Qemux, or Crossover, and those do work, but in the end, a gamer without Windows is like a car without headlights - you'll always be lost and behind. Sorry to break the bad news to ya.
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Now, personally, I think gaming is stupid, and that you should wait until you want to do something interesting before you start talking about switching. Wanting to be a Linux gamer is like going to McDonald's and ordering burgers with no meat - you've given up the item, but not the concept. Of course it isn't my place to tell you what you should and should not do with your computer. This is just down here in case you want my opinion instead of my advice.
{[(edited - thanks PiratePenguin)]}
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What kind of games do you play?
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a gamer with Windows is like a car without headlights
I think he meant a gamer withOUT Windows.
There's the free (as in freedom + price) wine (http://www.winehq.com/) and the non-free cedega[url] to run Windows games on GNU/Linux, but not all games work. Check out the application databases (wine's is [url=http://appdb.winehq.org/]here (http://www.transgaming.com/)) to see if they can run what it is you want.
It will always be easier to run Windows applications on Windows, of course. If you use your computer for little more than gaming, switching to GNU/Linux mightn't be a brilliant idea unless you wanna work hard getting the games to work (and not all of them will work anyhow).
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You can play Quake 4 on Linux ... as well as other games:
http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10105 (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10105)
You might also want to look at ReactOS (http://www.reactos.org/xhtml/en/index.html), still I don't think wine is useful for gaming, it's slow, unstable, and it just sux.
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i am a gamer and a programmer. i have a 4.3 ghz P4 SLI with 4 gigs of ram and two geforce 7900 512 mb and 4 32 wide screen montiors i play any game out right now and i make webpages for people around so i am a multi propose person and i am getting into linux programming on my laptop which is a 3.0 ghz compaq with gig of ram and a intel exetreme graphics card
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i am a gamer and a programmer. i have a 4.3 ghz P4 SLI with 4 gigs of ram and two geforce 7900 512 mb and 4 32 wide screen montiors i play any game out right now and i make webpages for people around so i am a multi propose person and i am getting into linux programming on my laptop which is a 3.0 ghz compaq with gig of ram and a intel exetreme graphics card
You do know that windows cannot use more then 3GB of ram unless you have the x86-64 version, and Intel's implimation of x86-64 sucks hard compared to AMDs
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Unless you work for Lucasfilm, you probably don't need that much damn RAM.
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Unless you work for Lucasfilm, you probably don't need that much damn RAM.
I have 1gig in my machine, and normally my ram usage is around 256mb
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I think he meant a gamer withOUT Windows.
There's the free (as in freedom + price) wine (http://www.winehq.com/) and the non-free cedega[url] to run Windows games on GNU/Linux, but not all games work. Check out the application databases (wine's is [url=http://appdb.winehq.org/]here (http://www.transgaming.com/)) to see if they can run what it is you want.
It will always be easier to run Windows applications on Windows, of course. If you use your computer for little more than gaming, switching to GNU/Linux mightn't be a brilliant idea unless you wanna work hard getting the games to work (and not all of them will work anyhow).
Crossover Office is also useful for non-graphics-intensive things like most poker clients. It's a shame the damn things require "real" ActiveX provided by installing IE in the same bottle... :(
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I have 1gig in my machine, and normally my ram usage is around 256mb
My ram usage (FC5) is around 47 MB (without running anything) - 429 MB (with Paradroidz (http://www.jpct.net/paradroidz/) running, a heavily memory intensive Java game).
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A gig of RAM is cool, almost necessary if you want to switch back and forth between Photoshop and Illustrator and Flash and Premiere, for example. 4 gigs is something a renderer might want. Outside of that, though, the average user here would probably be okay with less than 500MB, as long as it was fast enough.
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One A Good Day I Can Use 3.5 Of It I Am A Heavy Cpu User And I Am Not Normal And I Can Have 4 Gigs Cause I Do Now So
Thanks
Corvette
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Is A Side Effect Of Having Lots Of Ram Typing Like This????
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Unless you work for Lucasfilm, you probably don't need that much damn RAM.
unless you develop java applications :/
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I'm a hard core gamer (FPS) and I find Linux to work just fine for me. I play all the Quakes, Dooms, ROTT (Cant even play that one on Windows), UT2004, MOHAA, and tons of others NATIVELY.
I play Half Life 1 and 2, American Magee's Alice, Far Cry, Diablo 2, Fallout, and some others using Cedega and they all work great. Cedega has a FAR better interface that using plane 'ol Wine, but it will cost you; $5 a month.
Gaming is not ONE of Linux's strong points, granted, but a hard core gamer like myself gets by just fine. I have not needed Windows for years now.
For the record, I have 2x GeForce 7800GTX (SLI), AMD X2 4400, 2 gigs of ram and an Audigy 2.
Linux plays native games FAR better than Windows does (On my box anyway). Games that run natively are much smoother in Linux; Windows might edge out in FPS scores (Very slight lead I might add), but its too jerky in Windows.
YMMV, however, depending on your hardware. I made it a point to get top of the line hardware so I can enjoy top of the line games while in Linux...
Joe
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I'm a hard core gamer (FPS) and I find Linux to work just fine for me. I play all the Quakes, Dooms, ROTT (Cant even play that one on Windows), UT2004, MOHAA, and tons of others NATIVELY.
I play Half Life 1 and 2, American Magee's Alice, Far Cry, Diablo 2, Fallout, and some others using Cedega and they all work great. Cedega has a FAR better interface that using plane 'ol Wine, but it will cost you; $5 a month.
Gaming is not ONE of Linux's strong points, granted, but a hard core gamer like myself gets by just fine. I have not needed Windows for years now.
For the record, I have 2x GeForce 7800GTX (SLI), AMD X2 4400, 2 gigs of ram and an Audigy 2.
Linux plays native games FAR better than Windows does (On my box anyway). Games that run natively are much smoother in Linux; Windows might edge out in FPS scores (Very slight lead I might add), but its too jerky in Windows.
YMMV, however, depending on your hardware. I made it a point to get top of the line hardware so I can enjoy top of the line games while in Linux...
Joe
I'm gaming on Linux as well and play all those natively. However Cedega is from completition. On your system everything should run fine through it becuase with that kind of setup your eyes cannot see the FPS drop. With HL2 through Cedega I'm getting about 1/2 the FPS I get on Windows (AXP 3200+, OC'd 6800, 1GB)
However, gaming on Linux should not be considered as something impossible, If all you game is UT, Quake, Doom, Max Payne, NVM, ET, CS 1.6, HL1, WC3...etc you should be fine. But for new games like HL2, FEAR, FC, you'll most likely need something like 7800's just to get 1/2 the FPS you get on windows.
and yeah Linux does play native games much better, too bad there's not enough of those though.
What kind of hardware are you running? If you're running an ATI card and plan to game on Linux, that would be a very bad choice. :tux: If you are planning to go Linux, prepare to learn, it's much more different than clicking install and installing.
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and yeah Linux does play native games much better, too bad there's not enough of those though.
What kind of hardware are you running? If you're running an ATI card and plan to game on Linux, that would be a very bad choice. :tux: If you are planning to go Linux, prepare to learn, it's much more different than clicking install and installing.
Agreed, Linux is a far better gaming platform than Window$, too bad there's not enough people developing for it :( ... another reason to get people to switch.
ATI blows in lots of different ways ...
As for the installer ... the loki installers (http://liflg.org/?catid=6) work quite well, e.g. they almost always work without problems and it is kind of just click install and you are done (and put in the CDs). Some games can be more difficult though.
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I'm a hard core gamer (FPS) and I find Linux to work just fine for me. I play all the Quakes, Dooms, ROTT (Cant even play that one on Windows), UT2004, MOHAA, and tons of others NATIVELY.
I play Half Life 1 and 2, American Magee's Alice, Far Cry, Diablo 2, Fallout, and some others using Cedega and they all work great. Cedega has a FAR better interface that using plane 'ol Wine, but it will cost you; $5 a month.
Gaming is not ONE of Linux's strong points, granted, but a hard core gamer like myself gets by just fine. I have not needed Windows for years now.
For the record, I have 2x GeForce 7800GTX (SLI), AMD X2 4400, 2 gigs of ram and an Audigy 2.
Linux plays native games FAR better than Windows does (On my box anyway). Games that run natively are much smoother in Linux; Windows might edge out in FPS scores (Very slight lead I might add), but its too jerky in Windows.
YMMV, however, depending on your hardware. I made it a point to get top of the line hardware so I can enjoy top of the line games while in Linux...
Joe
i can brigde two cards together but there is no need to yet so i am fine with what i have i installed wine on my laptop and it works just fine i play civ 4 and starcraft on that and there is no problem i will stay with windows until there is a good linux for gaming which i hope will come soon and i am running kopix i think its called on my other cpu and i am planning to start programmer on that since it is open source i am planning to make a brower and a cpu management program i hope to get started soon i should be done in a couple of months and i will piost it on here
thanks
corvette
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I have 1gig in my machine, and normally my ram usage is around 256mb
With nothing running?
Shit my machine only uses 70MB when I'm running XP. :eek:
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I got a very very strange error compiling Firefox today. When linking libgklayout.so, the rendering engine (gecko) (must be the most resource intensive part of the build), the linker was just killed!
I thought it was a bug in the toolchain (I'm using old versions at this stage). I googled for the error message and it's an error other people were getting when they had no memory left. And whataya know, dmesg had some OOM (out of memory) messages for me to read.
I've 256mb ram and 2gb swap, what the hell?
Turns out, my swap wasn't enabled. There's an init script to turn it on (with 'swapon -a'), an init script I must've accidentally removed when I was last messing about with the config - April 15th.
So I was running for well over a month on a 256mb ram machine without any swap, and I didn't even notice lol. Using GNOME and Firefox basically every single day - Firefox many times with tens of tabs open, and some other random things, and Linux dev's were too smart for me to notice.
PS: FF 2.0 is looking fine.
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i can brigde two cards together but there is no need to yet so i am fine with what i have i installed wine on my laptop and it works just fine i play civ 4 and starcraft on that and there is no problem i will stay with windows until there is a good linux for gaming which i hope will come soon and i am running kopix i think its called on my other cpu and i am planning to start programmer on that since it is open source i am planning to make a brower and a cpu management program i hope to get started soon i should be done in a couple of months and i will piost it on here
thanks
corvette
Using. All. Periods. To. Balance. Out. The. Quote. :D
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i am planning to make a brower and a cpu management program
A web-browser? Why?
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With nothing running?
Shit my machine only uses 70MB when I'm running XP. :eek:
With most of the stuff I use running: konsole, xchat, gkrellm, scite, ect
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On this lap with only 256 memory in the first place, there is still room for the memory, about 75MB left. And the swap memory is all but empty, In windows it tends to be used a lot first. Running xterm, gkrellm, audacious, firestarter, gdesklets with 3 desklets, firefox with quite a few tabs open, and a few other things. And even if it get too full, I could just close something and the memory is freed right away. In windows it seems to linger and rely on the swap too much. When I had win Xp on here, I had to tweak everything as far as the services, ending all the useless ones. Used no theme, the flat classic one, and close everything I don't need right away if it's something fairly large. Otherwise it tended to get bogged down. On it was a little better with the default of gnome, but then I just installed xfce and it was fine. Stuff gets done faster than what was on a 2.4GHZ intel with 2 GB of memory and a $500 video card with a standard 7200 hard disk with 8MB buffer running windows xp - with viruses and junk. Compare that to this with old as hell 900 processor and 2MB buffer hard disk if any. Like I said, runs faster than that other one did.
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My god - wine has fairly been coming along.
I'm posting this message in the Windows version of Firefox 1.5.0.3 - ontop of wine 0.9.13 pretending to be Windows 2000.
It's a little slow and there's one or two minor bugs I've noticed, but other than that it's brilliant. Oh and the fonts - there's only one, but still, this works.
Here's a screenshot (http://piratepenguin.porteighty.org/wine-ff.png) which I uploaded in FileZilla (http://filezilla.sf.net), a Windows-only FTP client that also runs brilliantly (http://piratepenguin.porteighty.org/wine-fz.png) in wine (except it crashed once - dunno if that was a FZ or a wine issue).
The winecfg and winefile programs are also very cool - when I last used wine, well well over a year ago, I don't remember seeing them (configuration was a complete bitch).
EDIT: wine 0.9.14 was just released, I had a feeling that was gonna happen! argh
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I'm not suprised to see that Firefox runs well under WINE, but what about other apps?
I wouldn't expect an MS program like Visual Studio to work, have you tried any other programs?
Also how do I go about installing WINE on Ubuntu?
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unless you develop java applications :/
CO-SIGNED
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Not that Wine is bad in anyway, it is good enough to play half-life, but a gamer with Linux isn't going to get very far. Unless you have two PC's or are able to set up a dual boot with Windows and Linux (I have had very bad experiences with dual booting Linux and Windows) I wouldn't bother.
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Bad experiences dual-booting? Jeez, man, it's the easiest thing in the world to do. You actually have to try extra hard to get it to fuck up.
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Bad experiences dual-booting? Jeez, man, it's the easiest thing in the world to do. You actually have to try extra hard to get it to fuck up.
Unless you install Windows second.....
In that case go complain to Microsoft - it's them who fucked up your hard work.
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Unless you install Windows second.....
That's actually working hard to make it fuck up. Everyone ought to have figured out by now that Windows only cares a fuck about the boot sector during installation. After the installer has left the building, you can do whatever you like (metaphorically) to the boot sector, and Windows doesn't care. Now, when (not if, when) you have to reinstall Windows, that's when it gets tricky. Having a boot disk for your Linux is crucial at that point, so you can get in and rebuild your grub after Windows deletes it.
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I still wouldn't dual boot windows. I don't trust it. Granted I didn't know a lot of what I was doing at the time, but at one point, I had windows smash a linux partition that I had. Strange how linux doesn't do anything to windows unless you undoubtedly want it to.
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You do know that windows cannot use more then 3GB of ram unless you have the x86-64 version, and Intel's implimation of x86-64 sucks hard compared to AMDs
The limit of 32bit Windows is 4GB.
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Was not 4gb the Fat32 limit ?
and another thing ...
cant linux (be made to) support wind
dlls and drivers natively :) anything that MS makes
can then be used on any linux distro with that addon :)
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The limit of 32bit Windows is 4GB.
But windows eats 1GB of it up, and you only have 3GB of ram you can use
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That's not true, I only have 256MB of RAM (well 240MB actaully as 16MB is used for on-board graphics) and it's only eating 124MB and I've got several tabs open in Opera.
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I mean you only have 3GB useable, Like windows just makes that extra gig of ram vanish.
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have you tried any other programs?
well i know Mirc works well under wine :)
and IcyTower too ...
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Also how do I go about installing WINE on Ubuntu?
http://winehq.org/site/download-deb
I'd install it using the WineHQ apt repository. (so I have the latest version and can easily update it.)
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But windows eats 1GB of it up, and you only have 3GB of ram you can use
1GB? Not even Vista uses that much, you must have some shitware running in the background.
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1GB? Not even Vista uses that much
You made that point already and he answered:
I mean you only have 3GB useable, Like windows just makes that extra gig of ram vanish.
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1GB? Not even Vista uses that much, you must have some shitware running in the background.
unless you have Physical Address Extension installed, Windows will only see 3GB of the 4
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Reminds me - my brother-in-law works for Dell, and they just came out with a computer that has 64GB RAM. 64GB!!!!!!!!!!!! Apparently, oil companies are buying them like mad, in order to run their modeling programs.
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Reminds me - my brother-in-law works for Dell, and they just came out with a computer that has 64GB RAM. 64GB!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kinda kicks home the fact that Vista is just around the corner :D
Did some googling and found the page for the beast: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/precn_690?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz
To utilize more than 4GB of memory requires a 64-bit OS. To expand memory to more than 32GB requires a Dell Precision 690 1KW system with memory risers.
64GB, insane... The 2TB of storage isn't increadible, but the RAM...
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=555&l=en&oc=MLB1726&s=biz
16GB RAM costs over $10,000 for 4 dimms, whoa.
I don't wanna give away any hints, but this would look well in my bedroom - and it's my birthday tomorrow ;)
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I actually ran a customization on one of those, managed to get it up to $56,000! Those RAM slots eat up money like crazy.
Happy Birthday! Too bad my brother-in-law doesn't work in the pass-out-free-computers-to-your-friends department, otherwise I'd hook you (and myself) up. Yeah, we only get the 10% friends and family discount. He works in the design department, CADding cases and whatnot. Actually got to visit China twice this year, to make sure the factories are producing the cases correctly.
Dell makes PCs without Windows that you can put Linux on, although the only thing they will factory install is FreeDOS. You get a better deal buying a Windows box and erasing Windows from it.
Even more interesting, he is required to use IE and Outlook for all his internet activities, including ftp. And they block the hell out of most websites. I used his laptop the other night - he was surprised that Microsuck wasn't blocked. What a bunch of fascist whores!
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What could possibly use 64 GB of RAM ? Modeling programs for oil companies ... maybe, but it's still hard for me to believe.
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Especially since the chips only have an 800MHz FSB... I guess they have some sort of setup that is extremely memory intensive, but uses almost no computational power and doesn't access the hard drive array. Because the processor is too clunky to keep up with that much RAM. Must be a very interesting modeller. I can't imagine any program that could even use that much RAM without a corresponding increase in chip power and drive speed.
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I actually ran a customization on one of those, managed to get it up to $56,000! Those RAM slots eat up money like crazy.
Happy Birthday! Too bad my brother-in-law doesn't work in the pass-out-free-computers-to-your-friends department, otherwise I'd hook you (and myself) up.
Heh, cheers :D
Dell makes PCs without Windows that you can put Linux on, although the only thing they will factory install is FreeDOS.
You can get Red Hat Enterprise 4 with that computer and the rest of the Precisions! Can't get it with the Dimensions though..
You get a better deal buying a Windows box and erasing Windows from it.
I heard that before - it's fecking stupid.
Dell aren't Microsoft, but sometimes they might as well be.
Even more interesting, he is required to use IE and Outlook for all his internet activities, including ftp. And they block the hell out of most websites. I used his laptop the other night - he was surprised that Microsuck wasn't blocked. What a bunch of fascist whores!
'Tis shitty. I have to use the same shit in school. Network admin promted one of the teachers to put me up for "blacklisting" (so I wouldn't be able to use the computers, officially :p) for using FF. Fortunately there's a sane system for this - the admin has not authority. He tells the teacher, teacher tells the depudy principal (who seems pretty cool), who makes the decission to blacklist.
This was the day before we were due to leave school that the admin barfed, and I'd been using FF for nearly the whole year.
Anyhow, when he was talking to the teacher, I was right beside him - I could briefly hear what he was saying, so I put my hand up, he walked over and I kinda told him I use Firefox and asked what the problem was. He stood for a few seconds and just fucking walked out!
He probably burst into tears when he left the room lol.
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forgive my opinions and if I am out of line, please feel free to say so...
I think you are full of shit corvette. You seem very immature and disorganized for a "programmer and web-page designer." As far as the 4 gigs go, I constantly do 3d modelling with 3dstudio max 8...and do not need 4 gig of ram...If you have it, more power to you. All I am saying is simply this; you don't have to bullshit and impress us to get our conversation or help. Just ask and chat, that's all it requires here.
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Again, sorry if I was out of line, but I have to call a duck a duck. Something about this whole post just smelled funny to me, and it bothered me...
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Once a redneck, always a redneck. You crack me up, AB.
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unless you have Physical Address Extension installed, Windows will only see 3GB of the 4
I understand now, I didn't know about that, mind you I've never had that problem, there again I've never had the need for 4GB of RAM.
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:d