Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: pandronic on 24 May 2003, 02:44
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I don't like MS, actually I hate MS and I get frustrated that I have to use Bill's crappy software.
Here's why:
> I'm a webdesigner. IE has a market share of over 90% - how can I ignore that? Of course Mozilla is better, but I can't make sites just for the 2-3% that use Mozilla.
> Also, I like to play a nice game from time to time. On which OS can I play the latest games? On Linux or MacOs X? I don't think so.
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First of all, FUCK MICROSOFT.
Secondly, Websites can easily be designed to support and look great on both Mozilla and Internet Explorer. You're damn right Mozilla is "better".
Thirdly, you can play the latest games on Linux. Here are some links:
http://www.winehq.org (http://www.winehq.org)
http://www.tuxgames.com (http://www.tuxgames.com)
http://www.transgaming.com (http://www.transgaming.com)
http://linux.tucows.com/games.html (http://linux.tucows.com/games.html)
http://www.linuxgames.com (http://www.linuxgames.com)
http://gentoogames.supercomputerinc.com (http://gentoogames.supercomputerinc.com)
http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en (http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en)
The problem isn't that Linux doesn't support the latest gaming technology. The truth is, Linux just needs people that will develop games for Linux.
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Originally posted by pandronic:
I don't like MS, actually I hate MS and I get frustrated that I have to use Bill's crappy software.
Here's why:
> I'm a webdesigner. IE has a market share of over 90% - how can I ignore that? Of course Mozilla is better, but I can't make sites just for the 2-3% that use Mozilla.
Web designers should be writing to HTML standards. Web desingers should not write to MSIE, not to Mozilla, not to Opera, not to safari, etc. It's that simple.
You may like this tool
http://validator.w3.org (http://validator.w3.org)
[ May 23, 2003: Message edited by: M. O'Brien ]
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i hate it when websites make pages that don't follow any sort of a standard. ocasionaly you will come across a page that appears to have no wording until you actually select where the words should be and you'll be able to see the black letters. a buddy of mine had a site on geocities that he wanted me to look at. i thought the page was totaly blank until i highlighted the text. the entire page appeared black in Mozilla and Opera. i looked at the source of the page and it had <font color="#000000"> around all the text... so why did the text appear as being green in Internet Explorer?
[ May 24, 2003: Message edited by: ShawnD1 ]
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Maybe that website had style-sheets which said the text should be green...
For the people that didn't now: don't use <font> tags when you're already using style-sheets. I know it sounds logic, but many web developers seem to forget that.
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Originally posted by ChakanTGM:
First of all, FUCK MICROSOFT.
The problem isn't that Linux doesn't support the latest gaming technology. The truth is, Linux just needs people that will develop games for Linux.
I agree, it's most likely that linux would be a better gaming platform than Winslows, but for example how can I play the latest GTA3 Vice City on Linux?
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About the webdesign bit - I can't create HTML that doesn't work on Explorer (even if it doesn't follow any standard) because I can't afford to lose that much traffic. For example an online store. It's in my best interest to make the site work excelent on Explorer to maximize my profits. Of course I should make it work in all other browsers (and usually I support at least Opera and Mozilla), but this is just to be fair.
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And another thing - I use Photoshop - and I can't afford to buy a Mac, even though I know it's better - so I'm stuck with Win.
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The problem with this subject is that a lot of people would switch from Windows if there were viable alternatives - but as you all know the best applications are still written for this pile of junk :mad:
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About the games in Linux: Wine is adding Direct3D support. You can't play GTA Vice City yet, but it's starts now. It isn't much now, but maby in a year, you might be able to play the latest games for Windows in Linux for free.
Until then, try WineX (http://www.transgaming.com/) (screenshot (http://www.transgaming.com/images/shots/park.jpg)). WineX costs $ 15, but you'll be able to play many Windows games in Linux.
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you cant rely on getting WINE to work. when i try to compile it will have a compile error with the generic message error 13: leaving folder /home/shawn/wine/sources
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I'll give it a try.
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Last time I checked, Mandrake (not the best, but I use it occasionally) has some sort of gaming distro that will allow you to play most of the newer games. (The Sims is the main one) I don't have it myself, but I've heard it's pretty good. No clue if they still have it, or if someone else made a gaming distro, but I just figured I'd tell you.
And for the other reason you use MicroSlut's products, you need to realize HTML works on Mozilla too... only sites that don't appear correctly are made by newbies who don't know better...
FUCK MICROSLUT!
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Originally posted by [xile@localhost]$:
Last time I checked, Mandrake (not the best, but I use it occasionally) has some sort of gaming distro that will allow you to play most of the newer games. (The Sims is the main one) I don't have it myself, but I've heard it's pretty good. No clue if they still have it, or if someone else made a gaming distro, but I just figured I'd tell you.
And for the other reason you use MicroSlut's products, you need to realize HTML works on Mozilla too... only sites that don't appear correctly are made by newbies who don't know better...
FUCK MICROSLUT!
um. this has nothing to do with this topic, but, i used to write xile before it evolved into my current manifesation; ecsyle. i no longer paint though, so it doesn't matter.
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The topic started because pandronic uses Winblowz to play newer games (I mentioned the Mandrake Gaming distro as a solution to that) and because he is a web designer (where I mentioned that HTML works with all browsers...)
That is perfectly on topic (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by pandronic:
> I'm a webdesigner. IE has a market share of over 90% - how can I ignore that? Of course Mozilla is better, but I can't make sites just for the 2-3% that use Mozilla.
Last time I checked Mozilla and other web browsers can interpret HTML fine... (unlike IE ;) )
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Originally posted by pandronic:
> Also, I like to play a nice game from time to time. On which OS can I play the latest games? On Linux or MacOs X? I don't think so.
Wine will run most games. Plus almost every Linux distro comes with a ton of games
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Originally posted by [xile@localhost]$:
The topic started because pandronic uses Winblowz to play newer games (I mentioned the Mandrake Gaming distro as a solution to that) and because he is a web designer (where I mentioned that HTML works with all browsers...)
That is perfectly on topic (http://smile.gif)
sorry, i meant my post has nothing to do with the topic....
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Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
sorry, i meant my post has nothing to do with the topic....
Oh =) just a misunderstanding then.
Wow... this post really went off topic (http://tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by [xile@localhost]$:
Oh =) just a misunderstanding then.
Wow... this post really went off topic (http://tongue.gif)
yes. yes it did.
as for not bothering to code html correctly and bitching about ie. If you were any decent at coding and designing web pages, your site would function properly in all browsers. If you code using the STANDARDS handed down from the w3c, then you wouldn't have to worry about this. Fuck. Use your head. Microsoft doesn't make the rules. You don't have to do what they say. I swear, when we all go down in a glorious ball of fire, it will be written in new bibles and holy documents that it was the fault of the sheeple. They spread the disease of apathy and carelessness and let them selves be destroyed. or something like that...
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Originally posted by Refalm:
For the people that didn't now: don't use <font> tags when you're already using style-sheets. I know it sounds logic, but many web developers seem to forget that.
Font tags should not be used in XHTML (or at least HMTL 4.01) anyway, there depricated for <span/> and classes. Or at least they should be.
What I hate the most is this <DIV class=blah><span class=blahblah>...</SPAN></DIV>
Check the standards out people ALL attributes are in quote marks. Personal taste, all tags I think should be lower case, but make your mind up! Infact this site does this! The front page has 134 errors!
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You really should get winex. I know it costs money but cough...emule...cough.
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Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
..as for not bothering to code html correctly and bitching about ie. If you were any decent at coding and designing web pages, your site would function properly in all browsers. If you code using the STANDARDS handed down from the w3c, then you wouldn't have to worry about this.
Hmm, not quite so. Eventhough one's site may comply with the W3C standards, it won't display properly on all browsers. For example, Netscape 4.* and IE 5.* have a terrible time interpreting Level 2 CSS code, eventhough as I mentioned, they may validate just fine. Bottom line is, it all comes down to the browser. (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Panos:
Hmm, not quite so. Eventhough one's site may comply with the W3C standards, it won't display properly on all browsers. For example, Netscape 4.* and IE 5.* have a terrible time interpreting Level 2 CSS code, eventhough as I mentioned, they may validate just fine. Bottom line is, it all comes down to the browser. (http://smile.gif)
yeah. i should have worded that differently.
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Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
yeah. i should have worded that differently.
*off topic* I just noticed you have more than 1000 posts! Boy, I've been gone for a long time. :D
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Originally posted by Panos:
*off topic* I just noticed you have more than 1000 posts! Boy, I've been gone for a long time. :D
and i spend too muh time here ;)
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"Why I use MS products."
Why do I care?
Use whatever you want. Don't tell us about it. You clearly don't want an alternative (at least you don't ask for one), so why would we want to know about your current computing situation?
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It'd probably surprise you to know that the majority of websites are coded on a Macintosh. However, since M$ is now discontinuing IE for Mac, this is no longer a viable solution. If you ask me, M$ discontinued IE for Mac specifically to force webdesigners over to Winblows platforms. However, I can only hope it will simply encourage the intelligent webdesigners to code to standards rather than to IE. Eventually, this would cause M$ problems as more and more websites appeared just fine in everything but IE.
Not that this will happen, but I can hope so . . .
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Originally posted by maghor:
It'd probably surprise you to know that the majority of websites are coded on a Macintosh. However, since M$ is now discontinuing IE for Mac, this is no longer a viable solution. If you ask me, M$ discontinued IE for Mac specifically to force webdesigners over to Winblows platforms. However, I can only hope it will simply encourage the intelligent webdesigners to code to standards rather than to IE. Eventually, this would cause M$ problems as more and more websites appeared just fine in everything but IE.
Not that this will happen, but I can hope so . . .
Not having IE on the mac won't move developers or web designers away.
I always find that if I develop on Mozilla or Safari (well anything other than IE) I tend have less problems. I learnt this along time ago, sort out the IE problems at the end. Also if your not using M$ standards bastardised in the first place, such stupid little JScript or Active X tricks then your going to be producing code that is far more likely to be compatible with IE in the end anyway.
I actually think that *nixes (including OS X) are actually growing as dev platforms anyway. Here's an interesting link:
OS of choice (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/os.html)
I'll have to request this sort of info across the apache group, (xml.apache etc...) it would interesting to see.
:D