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Title: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: davidnix71 on 28 August 2008, 00:52
http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2001/06/29.1.shtml (http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2001/06/29.1.shtml)


It's called Padre instaed of Hermano Mayor, but the effect is the same. If you have to run Windows, then your finances aren't safe.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: worker201 on 28 August 2008, 04:18
This isn't directly a Microsoft problem - it's more of an unfortunate market situation that has arisen because of Microsoft's market position.  I kinda see both sides of the story - if it's a convenience program, it makes sense to target the largest number of potential users possible without having to deal with versioning problems.  Microsoft's position in the market, and the overly-large backwards compatibility (I mean huge - beyond any reasonable expectations) of Windows systems kinda answer the question of who to target with the software.  On the other hand, Microsoft does not have a provider contract with the Spanish government -- and even if they did, they would be obligated to not give preferential treatment to Microsoft's customers.

What I think is kinda interesting is that the Linux users of Spain are way more organized than Apple Spain.  A handful of marginalized computer users appears to have way more influence on technological matters than a multi-billion dollar tech corporation.  In this case, Apple's centralized organization has actually hurt Mac users.  The Macfolk over there would have had better results from being a loosely organized mob of protesters than asking top lawyers and policy consultants for help.  I think this is a great win for grassroots organizations around the world.

Another interesting thing in the article is the idea of Europe having widespread access to benefits online, but perhaps that discussion is best suited for another thread.  What I do find kinda sad is that online benefits management software is still written as a client application.  Wouldn't this sort of stuff be much more efficient and secure as a server application?  Just point your browser (IE, Safari, Konqueror, etc) at the site and log in - easy.  Today's internet suggests that writing some sort of AJAX and/or Web-2.0 network application is pretty simple, and if Yahoo! can do it, Spain (an extremely rich country) should be able to do it too.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: davidnix71 on 28 August 2008, 04:45
A browser app is definitely the way to go. You don't share the program or code with anyone. Nothing to download. Maybe a few files saved for reference purposes on the home users machine. Encrypted transaction like buying something online.

Someone in the Spanish government probably gets a kickback on this.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: Kintaro on 30 August 2008, 00:29
I'd have never thought a democratic government would even attempt this. Even in Australia the Government internet filter software you can freely download which they subsidized the development of supports Linux. I mean why not develop for platforms nobody uses? ITS FREE MONEY.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: worker201 on 30 August 2008, 09:39
Do you think that only people who use Windows should have access to government services?  Cuz that's fucked up.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: Kintaro on 30 August 2008, 10:24
They should surely support macs, but fuck minorities as small as Linux users.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: worker201 on 31 August 2008, 06:39
Do you think that only people who use Windows or Macs should have access to government services?  Cuz that's fucked up.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: Kintaro on 31 August 2008, 07:14
What else do people use?
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: worker201 on 31 August 2008, 08:26
(Unless you're a damn fool, you know that there are lots of hobbyists and self-styled rebels out there who are using whatever they happen to find, usually some flavor of Linux.  So this post will focus on some other users that you might not know about.)

Linux, Irix, and Solaris, to name a few.

SGI probably has higher retention of outdated/outmoded hardware than Apple does - otherwise, Irix would be totally dead, which you probably knew already.  What you might not know is that SGI has a very large installation base among academia and science, because they are so good at modelling and rendering.  A lot of them have been repurposed into clusters, but a significant number remain on the desktop as daily work machines.

Linux is also extremely popular in those areas, because the easy access to libraries makes scripting and CLI app development very easy.  Getting free software has its perks too, especially for those subsisting on grant money or stipends.  It's not surprising to find sociology grad students who use Perl and ImageMagick to reconstitute MatLab data.  The openness of Linux has also led to some incredibly awesome single-purpose tools.  Since many academic and scientific computing applications have a need for high precision and uncompromising methods, academic toolsmiths all over the world are creating hi-powered tools that will only run in Linux.  These tools are so good at their one job that it is worth learning CLI and shell scripting to take advantage of them.  These professors, students, and scientists, who are driving the development of Linux, are not quite the "grandma who wants to use email" that many people insist Linux has to market for (we can talk more about that later).

For some reason, enterprise Linux is rarely found at American universities.  Many computer resources are therefore going to Solaris, which provides the adaptability of Linux and the reliability of Sun.  A few years ago, everything was RedHat.  Now, most labs have Sun Workstations, and Linux is confined to professors and grad students who purchased hardware/software with grant money.  So the balance between Solaris and Linux is changing.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: Kintaro on 31 August 2008, 09:52
Yeah well let me know when Linux has a 3D memory manager and I'll help promote it to SGI customers.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: Refalm on 31 August 2008, 11:04
Isn't 3D memory only being used in cellphones and PDA's?
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: Kintaro on 31 August 2008, 12:07
Err, I'm talking about OpenGL not RAM. Linux uses xorg as a makeshift memory manager and it sucks.

http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/nitty-gritty-shit-on-open-source.html (http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/nitty-gritty-shit-on-open-source.html)
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: worker201 on 31 August 2008, 21:34
Yeah well let me know when Linux has a 3D memory manager and I'll help promote it to SGI customers.

Too late.  Irix died in December 2006, and SGI computers since then have been using SuSE ELS or RHEL.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: Kintaro on 1 September 2008, 10:16
And probably nvidia, with its famed closed source memory manager.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: Calum on 1 September 2008, 14:44
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but fuck minorities as small as Linux users.
it's not surprising that you say this with relation to australian politics, that's the attitude that australian politics (and actually most democracies, since we saw them mentioned above) has (have) in most areas (not just support for different computer platforms).

Basically governments, organisations, individuals, none of them care about any minority group that they themselves are not part of or involved with. That's why minorities generally have to do their own campaigning. and that's why telling minorities to fuck off is a waste of time, so what's the point in doing it? Just let the minorities campaign. In fact when people start telling your minority group to fuck off, it's a good sign that your campaigning is starting to make an impact.

Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: Kintaro on 1 September 2008, 17:59
I'm sure you love how minority groups like the Catholics campaign for teaching creationism in American public schools.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: Refalm on 1 September 2008, 19:46
Yeah, those Catholics sure are small in numbers over there all right.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Religions_of_the_US.PNG)
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: worker201 on 1 September 2008, 20:00
That map is kinda useless, as it shows no clear religious majority in the one place that has actually been relatively successful at trying to get creationism taught at a state level - Kansas.

Also, just to set the record straight, the loudest cries to get creationism taught in public schools have come from Protestant groups, not Catholics.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: Lead Head on 2 September 2008, 05:48
I expected California to have "No Religion", kind of surprised me TBH
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: worker201 on 2 September 2008, 09:25
I think it's reasonably safe to say that all Hispanics are at least a little bit Catholic, and would certainly identify as such during a census or survey.  Furthermore, California has an extremely high Hispanic population, mostly Mexican immigrants.  The rest of California is all heathens (the good kind).
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: Kintaro on 4 September 2008, 06:44
Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this
Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks
Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car.

It's a
Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks
Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this

Silly shit, stupid shit...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.

Mom's gonna fix it all soon.
Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be.

Learn to swim.

Fuck L Ron Hubbard and
Fuck all his clones.
Fuck all those gun-toting
Hip gangster wannabes.

Learn to swim.

Fuck retro anything.
Fuck your tattoos.
Fuck all you junkies and
Fuck your short memory.

Learn to swim.

Fuck smiley glad-hands
With hidden agendas.
Fuck these dysfunctional,
Insecure actresses.

Learn to swim.

Cuz I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom please flush it all away.
I wanna watch it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.
I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.
suck it down.
flush it down.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: SiMuLaCrUm on 13 September 2008, 19:26
Where did that come from...?
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: piratePenguin on 13 September 2008, 20:56
GEM memory manager WIP.
Title: Re: Windows only tax software in Spain is challenged
Post by: Calum on 22 September 2008, 16:40
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I'm sure you love how minority groups like the Catholics campaign for teaching creationism in American public schools.
did you even read what i said? did you just throw together some words (like "minority" and "love") to see what they would look like?

you're making less and less sense with every post. i'd recommend seeing a social worker about that.

or possibly a baby.