Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: JanusChrist on 4 February 2005, 11:00
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www.msfn.org/board (http://www.msfn.org/board)
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You're asking us to incite a revolution on an unrelated board, by quashing their right to free speech and/or their own opinions. That would be counterintuitive to the entire concept of freedom. Sorry, but as long as they're over there and we're over here, there will be no meddling between the two of us. They don't come here to make us switch to Microsoft products; likewise, we don't force them to use open-source. Whereas I cannot, by nature, respect people that force others to use MS products, I both can and will respect their right to decide whether open-source is right for them in their own usage.
That being said, why use MS products when there are alternatives out there - both open-source AND proprietary - that are both better and cheaper than the nearest MS equivalent, assuming there even IS one? ;)
Additionally, it should be noted that the site mentioned is registered as a non-profit (with ThePlanet no less), running Apache over a Linux install. It doesn't even have that crappy little "if browser_type != "Internet Explorer" then deny_access()" JavaScript (I've tried Mozilla, Firefox, *and* Konqueror with no failures logged yet). They may warehouse information regarding Microsoft products, but at the very least, they have the common bloody sense not to actually USE them. :D
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That forum shows rightly that you need all kinds of 3rd party products to turn off all the bullshit that's in Windows.
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You're asking us to incite a revolution on an unrelated board, by quashing their right to free speech and/or their own opinions. That would be counterintuitive to the entire concept of freedom. Sorry, but as long as they're over there and we're over here, there will be no meddling between the two of us. They don't come here to make us switch to Microsoft products; likewise, we don't force them to use open-source. Whereas I cannot, by nature, respect people that force others to use MS products, I both can and will respect their right to decide whether open-source is right for them in their own usage.
That being said, why use MS products when there are alternatives out there - both open-source AND proprietary - that are both better and cheaper than the nearest MS equivalent, assuming there even IS one? ;)
Additionally, it should be noted that the site mentioned is registered as a non-profit (with ThePlanet no less), running Apache over a Linux install. It doesn't even have that crappy little "if browser_type != "Internet Explorer" then deny_access()" JavaScript (I've tried Mozilla, Firefox, *and* Konqueror with no failures logged yet). They may warehouse information regarding Microsoft products, but at the very least, they have the common bloody sense not to actually USE them. :D
So what you're saying is "Don't preach unless it's to the choir"? Evil corporations like Microsoft exist becuz there are people that use their products. People need to know why companies like Microsoft are evil and nothing is going to change if the people who know better are afraid of making waves. This has nothing to do with "quashing free speech" this is the very definition of it.
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So what you're saying is "Don't preach unless it's to the choir"? Evil corporations like Microsoft exist becuz there are people that use their products. People need to know why companies like Microsoft are evil and nothing is going to change if the people who know better are afraid of making waves. This has nothing to do with "quashing free speech" this is the very definition of it.
But are you suggesting that we should go to their forum and point out Microsoft alternatives to them?
Anyway, I feel sorry for those people :(
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But are you suggesting that we should go to their forum and point out Microsoft alternatives to them?
Yes I am. And if you get banned for doing so, so what?
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Yes I am. And if you get banned for doing so, so what?
Well, it gives us a bad name (kinda). Don't it?
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Well, it gives us a bad name (kinda). Don't it?
God bless the Internet where names are anonymous and disposable. :D
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gets more and more militant here everytime i check in
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God bless the Internet where names are anonymous and disposable. :D
:D :thumbup:
I've just looked at few threads on that forum, and the text is like "My mum took away my PS2.." etc. It's useless to explain something to those kids (even if i'm only 15 years old :rolleyes: ) They won't change anyways because their mummy will be angry.
Peace, :tux:
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:D :thumbup:
I've just looked at few threads on that forum, and the text is like "My mum took away my PS2.." etc. It's useless to explain something to those kids (even if i'm only 15 years old :rolleyes: ) They won't change anyways because their mummy will be angry.
Peace, :tux:
Never know until you try.
BTW, I was banned from that forum without being given a reason. I emailed the webmaster, hopefully I'll get to the bottom of this.
We gotta bring da powa back!!
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seems like a stupid forum for stupid people (like me)
anyways, it looks better than this forum, so they got us on there!
Mr X
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I have a different point of view:
Yes, it is a good idea to visit this forum and voice our opinions, but we should not troll the forum, avoid statements like:
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I agree with Aloone. Don't be a moronic Red Ranger Software-like troll, be a Zombie 9920-like troll :D
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I agree with Aloone. Don't be a moronic Red Ranger Software-like troll, be a Zombie 9920-like troll :D
I agree with Refalm, going there to tell them how bad MS software is would be overstepping our boundries.
Nor would it be in good taste. Going there would not be good for our cause, and would offend more users thanit would convert.
Lest we all forget, there are MANY users who would LOVE to ditch windows and switch to a free alternative, but need to use windows because of certain applications that don't have a linux equivalent, or are too important to trust to an API layer like WINE that may not support att the features of the application. such as me.
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I've had more than a few drinks so please excuse me if my spelling and grammar is not up to standard, I've just got home from a club and I'm totally pissed but I will do my best.
I agree with Refalm, going there to tell them how bad MS software is would be overstepping our boundries.
You can tell them that there is better software than Microsoft's, just as long as you're polite when voiceing your opinions.
Nor would it be in good taste. Going there would not be good for our cause, and would offend more users thanit would convert.
As long as you're polite and don't make any "Windows sucks posts" then it's ok. I'm thinking about posting in this forum I might start of with "What don't you like about Windows?" or "Is there anything Microsoft has done that you disagree with?" and voiceing my opinions in a polite mannor, I will obviosly do this when I'm sober.
Lest we all forget, there are MANY users who would LOVE to ditch windows and switch to a free alternative, but need to use windows because of certain applications that don't have a linux equivalent, or are too important to trust to an API layer like WINE that may not support att the features of the application. such as me.
I myself am one of those people too.
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Okay, I apologise for my misinterpretation of this thread, but nobody has - of yet - made a worthy counter of my central point. If anything, most people SUPPORT the notion that going over there in the "self-righteous prick" mode will do nothing but damage our reputation. I apologise that I did not explain myself better, but I was speaking to the apparent 7 users out of 10 that leave this board and flame Windows BBSes with crap posts like "LINuX rulzoRZ Winblows SUX HAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!111" not the more experienced users that know any better.
That being said, I think Aloone made a more articulate argument of my case than I did (!). I don't have a problem with people going over there per se, just with the idiots that think it's funny and constructive to spam other boards. That being said, I agree with Janus on the title of this thread, but it's really up to each user to decide whether they want to delve into the realm of Windows repair tools or switch to something a little more fault-tolerant.
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Okay, I apologise for my misinterpretation of this thread, but nobody has - of yet - made a worthy counter of my central point. If anything, most people SUPPORT the notion that going over there in the "self-righteous prick" mode will do nothing but damage our reputation. I apologise that I did not explain myself better, but I was speaking to the apparent 7 users out of 10 that leave this board and flame Windows BBSes with crap posts like "LINuX rulzoRZ Winblows SUX HAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!111" not the more experienced users that know any better.
That being said, I think Aloone made a more articulate argument of my case than I did (!). I don't have a problem with people going over there per se, just with the idiots that think it's funny and constructive to spam other boards. That being said, I agree with Janus on the title of this thread, but it's really up to each user to decide whether they want to delve into the realm of Windows repair tools or switch to something a little more fault-tolerant.
To jump to the conclusion that I was suggesting that we troll the msfn.org or "quash their right to free speech" (which is the stupidest line of pigshit I've read since I joined this board) is just plain ignorant. If you wanna keep this an isolated fringe group rather than get out and preach the truth ( that truth being "Microsoft is evil. These are the alternatives...) then you're being counterproductive and might as well be on Microsoft's side.
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To jump to the conclusion that I was suggesting that we troll the msfn.org or "quash their right to free speech" (which is the stupidest line of pigshit I've read since I joined this board) is just plain ignorant. If you wanna keep this an isolated fringe group rather than get out and preach the truth ( that truth being "Microsoft is evil. These are the alternatives...) then you're being counterproductive and might as well be on Microsoft's side.
Honestly, we've had trolls in the past. In fact, we've *produced* trolls that go out and spam pro-Microsoft boards. There's a fine line between a constructive presentation of alternatives, and outright bashing their products (though they leave much to be desired). True, they aren't honest or forthcoming when it comes to problems with their OS, but why tell the users THAT? Are we to assume that they're sufficiently stupid that they HAVEN'T noticed these problems yet? If they hear the alternatives and still want to use Windows, that's their perogative (misinformed though it may be). Besides, if we were to go to a Microsoft BBS and suggest alternative OSes rather than helpful software for that platform, are we not trampling the right of the user to choose whether they WANT or NEED Linux/Be/etcetera in the first place? I don't see people coming in here recommending Microsoft tools over FOSS, but that could be due to the fact that they have this incredible tendency to spam us and subsequently get banned when they do so.
As far as being on Microsoft's side... I'll forgive that, as you're new here.
EDIT: Oh, and for future reference, you might want to note that the history of this entire board - 9 times out of 10 - has had people posting things like "please help these poor misguided souls" followed by one post that says, and I quote, "Winbloze suxorz 2 mny wayz 2 cout!!!!!111" after which the originator never returns to elaborate. At least you care enough to stick around and back your posts up, I congratulate you on that.
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Honestly, we've had trolls in the past. In fact, we've *produced* trolls that go out and spam pro-Microsoft boards. There's a fine line between a constructive presentation of alternatives, and outright bashing their products (though they leave much to be desired). True, they aren't honest or forthcoming when it comes to problems with their OS, but why tell the users THAT? Are we to assume that they're sufficiently stupid that they HAVEN'T noticed these problems yet? If they hear the alternatives and still want to use Windows, that's their perogative (misinformed though it may be). Besides, if we were to go to a Microsoft BBS and suggest alternative OSes rather than helpful software for that platform, are we not trampling the right of the user to choose whether they WANT or NEED Linux/Be/etcetera in the first place? I don't see people coming in here recommending Microsoft tools over FOSS, but that could be due to the fact that they have this incredible tendency to spam us and subsequently get banned when they do so.
As far as being on Microsoft's side... I'll forgive that, as you're new here.
EDIT: Oh, and for future reference, you might want to note that the history of this entire board - 9 times out of 10 - has had people posting things like "please help these poor misguided souls" followed by one post that says, and I quote, "Winbloze suxorz 2 mny wayz 2 cout!!!!!111" after which the originator never returns to elaborate. At least you care enough to stick around and back your posts up, I congratulate you on that.
I don't doubt that there have been trolls on this board before but I know better on the rights and wrongs of how to bring people over to a cause. I don't see sites like Microsuck as a fringe culture, I see them a cause that needs to be spread. I'm here for the same reason everyone else is: Microsoft is an evil monopoly that engages in- and gets away with- unfair business practices and it's existance as such is detrimental to maintaining a fair and honest world market.
As for focusing simply on OSes, thats just a small part of a much wider picture. Most people actually need a version of Windows whether it be for games, work, or because they don't have the computer savvy to master Linux or because they don't like the cost and lack of cross compatibility with Macintosh. Further advances in Linux will close the gap between itself and Windows eventually, but not right now. As for the bigger picture, people can be let to know that you don't need things like MS Office, Outlook, Internet Exploiter, MS Server, Windows Media Player, Hotmail, etc. We all know the reasons why and we all know the free and superior alternatives.
As a culture, we know we should do our personal best to use as few MS products as possible. As a cause, we should be letting as many people as possible know what is wrong with Microsoft, both their business ethics and product quality (or lack-there-of) and inform people of the alternatives.
Infighting is counterproductive and its against my nature to hold a grudge. Therefore, I'm willing to declare a truce between us.
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Truce accepted, motion carried. ;)
I've always wondered how I would treat myself as I was six months ago, subsequent my joining this forum, and I've found out. Piss-poor, to be concise. You and I have more in common than you might think, it's just that my views have been watered down somewhat by the moderate cries of "Open Source fanboy" from Windows proponents. I happen to agree that Microsoft has shoddy business practices, and that we need to bring as many alternatives as possible to the forefront.
Oh, and I've always wanted to say this:
"Janus... [khish-ah]... *I* AM YOUR FATHER. [khish-ah]" :D
Now where's that damned Vader smiley...
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Windows does suck. But because I took the time and energy to learn it inside and out, I have more business than I would ever have if I refused to learn windows and only stuck with flavors of linux.
Also, since microsoft has so many security issues - it keeps me in business. I wouldn't have much repeat business with linux customers now would I?
So, from my business standpoint, Windows is the smart choice.
/make sense?
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It always interests me how the only people defending Windows are those whose livelihoods depend on it. Any non-service personnel share your view? I think not. :D
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who gives a shit what they are using.
Instead of spending endless amount of energy and time to change their minds, why not spent time in improving Linux and the applications that run on top of it
The better Linux and its apps get, the deeper MS goes into the shithole where it came from.
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http://www.techzonez.com/forums/showthread.php?p=110288#post110288
I've just joined a Winblow$ help forum and I'm not going to troll, my first posts will explain how to set up Windows securly and not use anti-virus, also I'll be suggesting alternatives for Microsoft products on the way.
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Are you going to be resurrecting ancient threads at this new forum too?
:D
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I already have. :D
By the way did you read rohitk89's response?
I found it hilarious how he/she advised I used one of those sites containing an Active X control to scan my computer with and infect it with malware, some people really have no clue.:D :D :D
You'd have to be crazy to trust one of those online scanning services - they're so insecure.
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Some of the folks over there have neat avatars and sigs tho! Aria Giovanni! Would that sort of thing even be allowed over here?
When I was setting up my dad's computer, I hid IE and Outlook from him, and put Firefox and Thunderbird in their place. He doesn't seem to notice any difference.
However, on our university network, it is important to have a virus program in place. I've sat and watched a shitstorm of attacks being thrown against my firewall in Linux. According to IT experts, somebody's dorm computer on campus is infected and throwing itself around. We keep things pretty damn secure, but stuff still somehow gets through. Norton has actually found a virus or 2 over the past 3 years, and considering how much blood, sweat, and tears I have spent in front of my computer, I am not prepared to take any chances.
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Some of the folks over there have neat avatars and sigs tho! Aria Giovanni! Would that sort of thing even be allowed over here?
You noticed it too ... hehe ... I want one :D ;) ... she is bootylicious (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bootylicious) :thumbup:
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LOL, I've noticed that there is already a small group of Linux lovers and MS haters on the board, but this (http://www.techzonez.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17638) belongs in the moron zone. :D
Having said that I'm glad to se that the some people on this forum have taken it up on themselves to seek alternatives to Microsoft products, good for them! :thumbup:
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Hey guys, every couple months M$ Winbloze crashes on me because my registry goes bad on me. I'm almost ready to give up on M$ and install Linux. Do you guys have any suggestions before I format my hard drive?
LOL. :D
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Backup your important files first. You wouldn't want to lose them because of an OS switch. Better yet, create a separate partition for them.
(sorry for the necroslap, but I figure this comment was better made late than never) :D
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The sad part of this, that your best option for a seperate data partition is FAT32, if you're planning to dual boot Linux and Windows.
By Microsoft not supporting Ext3, they are making Windows favourable in this case.
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Yeah, and I'm a member of the Microsoft Syternals forums, but I do not force open source down people's throats. I only use it for troubleshooting help.
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The sad part of this, that your best option for a seperate data partition is FAT32, if you're planning to dual boot Linux and Windows.
By Microsoft not supporting Ext3, they are making Windows favourable in this case.
You can get freware ext3 drivers for Windows and full read/write support under Linux with NTFS-3G.