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Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: emh on 5 August 2003, 06:22: Click here for the article (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entertainment/stories.nsf/Entertainment/Music/876148B2C7AA78CE86256D78003D8EE5?OpenDocument&Headline=It's+war+between+record+labels+and+downloading+fans)
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: 3eyes on 5 August 2003, 07:00: The music industry shot itself in the foot and is now claiming the fans did it to them.
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: billy_gates on 5 August 2003, 08:07: quote:
Originally posted by 3eyes:
The music industry shot itself in the foot and is now claiming the fans did it to them.

I don't see how this article makes it somehow OK to steal music. All it says is that people want to buy single songs instead of whole albums. Cough iTune cough BuyMusic.com. The record industry shot themselves in the foot, but that doesn't make it OK to steal music. Thats like saying My neighbor shot himself in the foot, literally. He's an artist, sells art for a living. I'm gonna go into his computer and "share" his scanned in JPEG's with the world. Doesn't sound like a cool thing to do does it?
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: 3eyes on 5 August 2003, 08:50: quote:
Originally posted by jeffberg: Mac Capitalist:

I don't see how this article makes it somehow OK to steal music. All it says is that people want to buy single songs instead of whole albums. Cough iTune cough BuyMusic.com. The record industry shot themselves in the foot, but that doesn't make it OK to steal music. Thats like saying My neighbor shot himself in the foot, literally. He's an artist, sells art for a living. I'm gonna go into his computer and "share" his scanned in JPEG's with the world. Doesn't sound like a cool thing to do does it?

I was referring to the slump in sales. They blame the slump on downloading but the fact is it began when they stopped selling singles.

Not that I really care; almost all of the artists I like are dead. I already have most all of the songs I'll ever listen to unless Hendrix should come back from the dead.

And I also don't care any more about the record companies than I do M$.They're just as bad; if you read the article, you see the artists saying that themselves. I will never support them if I can help it.

[ August 05, 2003: Message edited by: 3eyes ]
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: emh on 5 August 2003, 08:52: quote:

cough BuyMusic.com

*cough*only works with Windows Media Player*cough*website only works with Internet Explorer*cough*WMA*cough*

The point the article was getting at was that the public wants to be able to buy singles.

I have a feeling you didn't read the whole article, because it did mention iTunes and it's huge success, citing that this was exactly what people wanted.
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: flap on 5 August 2003, 16:56: quote:
Originally posted by jeffberg: Mac Capitalist:

I don't see how this article makes it somehow OK to steal music. All it says is that people want to buy single songs instead of whole albums. Cough iTune cough BuyMusic.com. The record industry shot themselves in the foot, but that doesn't make it OK to steal music. Thats like saying My neighbor shot himself in the foot, literally. He's an artist, sells art for a living. I'm gonna go into his computer and "share" his scanned in JPEG's with the world. Doesn't sound like a cool thing to do does it?

cough cough cough cretin cough.
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: Laukev7 on 5 August 2003, 19:52: quote:
cough cough cough cretin cough.

I think most of us expected you to turn up at that point, flap, but was this really necessary?
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: bwid_s_01 on 5 August 2003, 22:26: Fuck the RIAA. Fuck the MPAA. Fuck Microsoft. Fuck DRM. Fuck Macrovision. Fuck CSS!

When will these retards who come up with these protection/lawsuit/digital rights ideas get it through their heads that THERE IS NO SOLUTION TO music/video/software PIRACY!!! Every technology for anti-piracy will ALWAYS be countered by an anti-anti-piracy technology *cough* Macrovision *cough* Micro$hit activation *cough* CSS. All of those technologies and anti piracy measures got fucked. The question will NEVER be IF an antipiracy technology will be cracked but WHEN.

About the lawsuits: the only thing that they will bring about is an eventual boycott by music/video/software consumers. For example if there is ever some way for me to not be able to copy/re-encode/rearrange the contents of CDs and DVDs then I and tons of other people just won't buy them at all. I dont really support piracy but I am dead serious about consumer rights. As a DVD fan, I get a hell of a lot pissed off everytime I have to descramble, deCSS, etc. a dvd THAT I PAID FOR AN BOUGHT just to take it with me on the road on my laptop which has no dvd drive. That's just one example.
I do think that pay-per-song-download is a great idea. However, as far as I'm concerned I will never ever ever pay a cent for, or even visit a site that ONLY supports WMA, IE, and Windows. Fuck that. Also, if I'm gonna pay for downloading songs or movies, then I'll only do it if I get them either uncompressed or losslessly compressed, or maybe compressed but with high quality files. Not 128Kbps shit.

THEY SHOULD GET IT THROUGH THEIR HEADS - the ONLY way to stop piracy is to get the public to WANT not to pirate. And the only way to do that is to start selling music, videos, and software for CHEAP. Theyre gonna say "but then we'll go poor". I don't agree. I think if CDs and DVDs start going for really cheap prices then not only will people who pirate decide to pay for the stuff, but people who never buy OR pirate will buy the stuff. Plus they'll save tons of money if they don't bother with their anti-piracy encryption technologies.
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: billy_gates on 5 August 2003, 22:41: quote:
Originally posted by bwid_s_01:
As a DVD fan, I get a hell of a lot pissed off everytime I have to descramble, deCSS, etc. a dvd THAT I PAID FOR AN BOUGHT just to take it with me on the road on my laptop which has no dvd drive. That's just one example.

Why do you get a hell of a lot pissed off when you have to deCSS a dvd. First off, its a piece of cake. Check the decode CSS check box on your DVD descrambler and its done. Second, you bought the DVD knowing full well that is was CSSed and Macrovisioned, so I don't see what you have to complain about.
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: Faust on 5 August 2003, 22:42: Fuck cascading style sheets?
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: Faust on 6 August 2003, 00:07: http://eff.org/share/ (http://eff.org/share/)
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: Faust on 6 August 2003, 00:13: quote:

Second, you bought the DVD knowing full well that is was CSSed and Macrovisioned, so I don't see what you have to complain about.

Was there another copy of that DVD that wasn't CSS'd? (I take it CSS is a DVD rights limiting scheme?)
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: 3eyes on 6 August 2003, 04:01: quote:
I dont really support piracy but I am dead serious about consumer rights.

:D :cool:
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: slvadcjelli42 on 6 August 2003, 04:09: quote:
Originally posted by Faust:
Fuck cascading style sheets?

Hahaha, I don't know, Faust, that's what I saw first off, too :D
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: bwid_s_01 on 6 August 2003, 07:01: quote:
Originally posted by Faust:
Fuck cascading style sheets?

LOL no, i meant fuck the CSS technology used to "prevent" dvds from being copied to the hard disk.
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: Pissed_Macman on 6 August 2003, 07:47: I read the article thoroughly. Now I feel the urge to download illegal MP3s.
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: Faust on 6 August 2003, 21:41: Appaently some DVDs wont even play if you have a tv out cable plugged into your graphics card... And some dumbarse has designed a new "disposable" dvd that reacts with oxygen and becomes unreadable after a week. Theres enough landfill already you dumb fuck, why would you do that?
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: flap on 6 August 2003, 16:12: quote:
I dont really support piracy but I am dead serious about consumer rights.

That's a paradoxical statement. You don't support the right to copy ("piracy" as you call it) but you somehow serious about "consumer rights"? No you're not - you're serious about publishers' rights.
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: Faust on 6 August 2003, 16:28: quote:

I read the article thoroughly. Now I feel the urge to download illegal MP3s.

Ooh it's illegal... I'm going to do it too so I can be a bad boy. You better watch yourself guys :D :D :D

edit: although strangely enough the last time I told a girl that I downloaded illegal mp3s and that I was a bad boy she threw her bourbon and coke in my face. :(

[ August 06, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: Laukev7 on 6 August 2003, 20:50: quote:
That's a paradoxical statement. You don't support the right to copy ("piracy" as you call it) but you somehow serious about "consumer rights"? No you're not - you're serious about publishers' rights.

He does not endorse the wrong act of distributing music without the author's permission, yet he is serious about what he should be allowed to do with his music (ie. playing his CD anywhere he wants). How is that paradoxical?
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: HibbeeBoy on 6 August 2003, 21:28: I don't believe in the "piracy" of DVD or CD or whatever but I get pissed off with these recording companies fucking about with what we can't do with the stuff. Here is something that pisses me off, that dopey FBI warning, a lot of times you can't skip that, you can fast forward it, or viewing the trailers, you can't skip them. You can't just put the DVD in your machine and watch the fucking movie, no, you have to fuck about getting past all this shit you have seen a number of times before. Fucking morons, I hate them !!
Where is the crime in buying a DVD and making yourself a copy to play on tape, or PC or whatever. I don't see a problem with that but they put so much money and effort into stopping it they could give their shit away and still make a profit. Fucking idiots.
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: flap on 6 August 2003, 22:03: quote:
Originally posted by Laukev7:

He does not endorse the wrong act of distributing music without the author's permission, yet he is serious about what he should be allowed to do with his music (ie. playing his CD anywhere he wants). How is that paradoxical?

If he were serious about what he should be allowed to do with his music then he'd value the right to copy it, and not value the right of publishers to stop him.
Title: Interesting article on MP3 sharing, RIAA, etc.
Post by: HibbeeBoy on 7 August 2003, 01:41: quote:
Originally posted by flap:

If he were serious about what he should be allowed to do with his music then he'd value the right to copy it, and not value the right of publishers to stop him.

Haven't we been down this road before ? ;)

I would say there is a difference between copying for your own private use and commercialy reproducing and distributing a "pirated" product.

In the case of music, the artist should have control over the use of their work. Nothing worse than creating a beautiful piece of music and then have someone hijack it to be used as the theme for a porno movie or a jock-itch commercial.