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Miscellaneous => Intellectual Property & Law => Topic started by: worker201 on 23 April 2010, 22:27

Title: Censorship happens
Post by: worker201 on 23 April 2010, 22:27
Google has released this thematic map showing which governments are trying to censor the internet.  No surprise - US and UK are at the top of the list.  China, of course, censors their own censorship, so there is no info available for them.  This map shows two separate items.  Requests for removal are when a government agent asks that a website be removed from Google's search database.  And a request for information is when a government agent asks for information about users visiting searching for particular sites or topics.

http://www.google.com/governmentrequests/ (http://www.google.com/governmentrequests/)
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: Lead Head on 24 April 2010, 03:43
Curious as to whats so sensitive for Brazil.
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: worker201 on 24 April 2010, 19:41
I think a requests per capita might make more sense.  The US has 5x the people and 50x the websites as the UK, but our requests are only 2x.  Doesn't that theoretically mean that England is censoring more than we are?

However, this might make Brazil look even worse, because a much lower percentage of homes have computers there.  I have no idea what's going on down there.  Maybe their porn rules are stricter than ours.
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: Refalm on 26 April 2010, 13:47
Brazil apparently sues social networking websites a lot to remove fake profiles:
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/google-fined-for-defamatory-message-on-networking-site-20100426-tlwh.html (http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/google-fined-for-defamatory-message-on-networking-site-20100426-tlwh.html)

Brazil has sane pornography laws (18+, no Hustler, etc. magazines in plain sight), so it's not that.
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: Calum on 27 April 2010, 12:57
by the way, technically an "agent" is not employed by the secret service, but works with them, so actually no agents would be asking for removal of a site, it would be intelligence officers.

And that ends today's lesson in pedantry!

PS - however this confusion seems endemic, just having a look round the internet, so please don't feel like i am making a big issue of it.
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: Kintaro on 29 April 2010, 03:26
It is interesting that the Australian Government requested a blogger be removed. I wonder why, but I would guess the religious hate speech act. Poor jews, the state is so against them now they've banned even joking about them  :D
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: yourlife on 2 May 2010, 15:11
Its an outrage, how dare they pass the DEB?!? As long as I can use Tor I'm happy.
Good old Tor, try censoring Tor clients bastards! (Brown, Cameron and anyone else who passed the DEB)
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: yourlife on 2 May 2010, 15:15
Why do I have a feeling these websites will be on the goverments hitlist?
Etc Etc Etc
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: 7031 on 2 May 2010, 15:49
It is interesting that the Australian Government requested a blogger be removed. I wonder why, but I would guess the religious hate speech act. Poor jews, the state is so against them now they've banned even joking about them  :D
Haha yes, although looking at the link in the first page it also surprises me that Australia hasn't made more requests, unless all of the censorship is done internally.

Time for all of us to move to Canada? :P.
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: Kintaro on 3 May 2010, 02:16
Tor is so slow the users basically censor themselves from any meaningful content.

A Virtual Private Server is cheap enough, http://fawltyservers.com/phpsysinfo (http://fawltyservers.com/phpsysinfo) is about $40 a month and has 750GB of bandwidth. You can register a free account and start using cgi-proxy, or SSH tunnels, you can learn more about both under Help once get get an account.

Eventually I'll start charging money, with every ban comes a black market. Though, Internet Censorship is not yet a reality in Australia on a network level, its all just takedown notices and that kind of jazz.
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: davidnix71 on 3 May 2010, 05:03
The problem with VPN servers is they get sued over the content passing through the server. Most have TOS that allow them to cut you off if you torrent illegally with them. If the DRM police trace your torrent through a VPN server, they won't find it hard to prove what is going through it even though it is encrypted, because they seeded the torrent themselves just so they could snitch you out.

If the VPN is accessing illegal content, unless the server is in Vanatu, there will be pressure or DNS blockage against anyone who doesn't play along.

TOR sounds like a good idea until you realize you don't know who is actually on the TOR with you. They can still snitch you out or poison the content.

The better way to bypass content controls is usenet. Yeah, you have to pay, but as long as a few people upload whatever is getting banned this week, there will be an way around blockages.
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: yourlife on 3 May 2010, 14:09
Or you chould riot outside westminster :P
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: Kintaro on 5 May 2010, 18:22
The problem with VPN servers is they get sued over the content passing through the server. Most have TOS that allow them to cut you off if you torrent illegally with them. If the DRM police trace your torrent through a VPN server, they won't find it hard to prove what is going through it even though it is encrypted, because they seeded the torrent themselves just so they could snitch you out.

If the VPN is accessing illegal content, unless the server is in Vanatu, there will be pressure or DNS blockage against anyone who doesn't play along.

TOR sounds like a good idea until you realize you don't know who is actually on the TOR with you. They can still snitch you out or poison the content.

The better way to bypass content controls is usenet. Yeah, you have to pay, but as long as a few people upload whatever is getting banned this week, there will be an way around blockages.

They can sue me all they want, every asset I own is registered in my girlfriends name and we have our own houses, thus she isn't legally my de-facto. The things we do for liberty.

Generally I simply depend on the second ammendment, and taking my own steps to stop piracy. I don't like piracy (when its not getting me cheap albums) and I don't think any FCC regulation would be a problem because they would have a hard time calling my server 'public' in the first place. In any case unless internet censorship consumes every single country in the world, I have a business model and a place to run it. I don't mind moving to South Korea or Taiwan if it comes down to it. Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito!
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: Calum on 6 May 2010, 11:55
Or you chould riot outside westminster :P
yeah, that's a good way to make change happen, it certainly showed the government what was what when that happened before the iraq invasion.

</sarcasm>
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: yourlife on 7 May 2010, 21:31
Didn't get that, if you would kindly rephrase that in a way a 14 year old autistic person would understand?

(I know nothing about Iraq, I don't watch the news, I code websites/computer programs or write information booklets/stories, not sit around rotting in front of the TV)

Yes I did just talk a load of rubbish
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: Calum on 13 May 2010, 17:09
ok, in simple terms what i meant was this:

when our government proposed to send troops into Iraq 83% of our population was against it and an enormous demonstration was held in the streets of London, which the police allowed, and the government completely ignored. This resulted in: nothing. Basically the public end up feeling that little bit more like their say means nothing (so they are less likely to stand up for a cause in the future) and the government gets to do what they want regardless.

One further thing, if you think rotting in front of your computer is more valuable than taking an active interest in the world around you, you need to have a word with yourself. I'm just pointing out that you seem to think national politics is just another TV programme like eastenders or something.
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: yourlife on 13 May 2010, 19:08
I just find politics extremely dull. I say, just get on with it.
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: Kintaro on 13 May 2010, 22:51
Look on the bright side Calum, we have a foothold for an invasion of Iran!
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: Calum on 14 May 2010, 10:54
I just find politics extremely dull. I say, just get on with it.
i really can't stand this attitude.

your life is politics. i was just hearing on the news the other day that the new government will probably increase VAT to 20% which will cost the average family over £500 more a year. That's just one example, in one area. Who do you think passed the digital economy bill into now being an Act? the government, you'll be feeling that over the next couple of years, and if more people had become active in opposing it it might not have gone through parliament.

By taking the view that you're not interested in politics, you have fallen for the most insidious political trick in the book. The less people get involved and just let the politicians "get on with it" the more they are going to screw you.

Politicians sorely want more people to take no interest in politics, you are the politicians' best friend.
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: piratePenguin on 14 May 2010, 12:39
And youlife, didn't you say that you don't work?
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 14 May 2010, 15:51
And youlife, didn't you say that you don't work?
He's a 14 your old kid so of course he doesn't work, unless it's just a paper round or something like that.
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: Refalm on 14 May 2010, 16:09
I find that people who aren't interested in politics at youth, become left while being poor (because their job doesn't provide enough money for a decent living), and right when being rich ("why does part of my salary goes to poor people and culture bullshit?").
Or choose an ideological party. Voting for Christian Democrats for example, if someone lives in a community that greatly values Christianity.
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: piratePenguin on 14 May 2010, 17:21
And youlife, didn't you say that you don't work?
He's a 14 your old kid so of course he doesn't work, unless it's just a paper round or something like that.
Whoops, sorry yourlife!

Ah the perils of being 14 round here :)
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: yourlife on 14 May 2010, 17:57
Haha, I guess so, oh well, and I'm happy, I'm 15 on the 17th
Title: Re: Censorship happens
Post by: Kintaro on 15 May 2010, 05:40
You should get an ASBO, everyone needs one to be cool mang.