Stop Microsoft
Miscellaneous => Applications => Topic started by: Aloone_Jonez on 30 October 2010, 15:18
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I used MS Office 2007 for the first time this week!
It looks like it's got some good new features but I don't like the new user interface. Is it just plain shit or is it that I'm not used to it?
I noticed that some other new software has adopted a similar UI, most notably for me AutoCAD so it can't be that bad, although at least it has an option to revert back to the old UI. All I can say, is I hope OpenOffice doesn't adopt ribbon or if it does, there should be an option to switch back.
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Lotus Symphony is using a kind of a hybrid between the Ribbon and OpenOffice.org look:
Screenshot (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Lotus_Symphony_Document_3.0B2.png).
I prefer this GUI over Office 2010 and OpenOffice.org.
Personally, I like what Microsoft has done in Office in terms of doing away with menu's. Gnome and Apple have been doing that for years, but without compromising advanced features, which I think Microsoft has done with oversimplifying up to a point where only a default lay-out option is the only choice.
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I'm not sure if I like the idea of getting rid of the menu.
I like the idea of having a tabbed toolbar though.
I don't like the look of the huge properties window on the right had side of the window of Lotus Symphony. I know it can be closed but would it make it harder to use?
Apparently MS Office 2010 is supposed to be better UI wise than 2007. I fail to see the point in buying the latest version of MS Office any more as they all have more features than I'd ever use and OpenOffice.org is more than good enough for me. There's a lack of MS Office licences where I work so some people use OpenOffice. I think I'll ask my manager if I can use it rather than MS Office so someone else can have my licence. There again, I might stick with it because learning it might make it easier if I change jobs and have no choice but to use it.
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Microsoft is really pushing hard for the Ribbon UI. I've been seeing more and more 3rd party programs implementing it now. Office 2007 drives me insane personally. I can't find anything in a reasonable amount of time.
That Lotus UI looks interesting. That sidebar shouldn't be an issue for people with higher resolutions screens.
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That Lotus UI looks interesting. That sidebar shouldn't be an issue for people with higher resolutions screens.
I'm on 1920x1080 and it would piss me off because I like to be able to view two pieces of A4 side by side or a complete page in landscape - for me, that's the whole point of having a large monitor..
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It looks like it's got some good new features but I don't like the new user interface. Is it just plain shit or is it that I'm not used to it?
I noticed that some other new software has adopted a similar UI, most notably for me AutoCAD so it can't be that bad, although at least it has an option to revert back to the old UI. All I can say, is I hope OpenOffice doesn't adopt ribbon or if it does, there should be an option to switch back.
I hate Ribbon. Why? It decreases writing space and competitors to MS Office can't use it. Flip out.
Oh yeah, and OpenOffice.org is implementing their own Ribbon-like UI in version 3.3 as of my knowledge.
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I agree.
I've now installed OxygenOffice on my computer at work because I can't get used to the shitty ribbon UI. MS Office 2010 is supposed to be better but I don't see the point in paying more for what is probably only a bug fix for the shit UI.
If OOo is going to do a similar thing, I hope they make a decent job of it or do as AutoCAD have done and provide an option to revert back to the old UI.
MS have patented ribbon UI so it would be interesting to see if other developers get sued for implementing it.
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MS have patented ribbon UI so it would be interesting to see if other developers get sued for implementing it.
I don't think they can do that. Last time I checked, Wikipedia says it's prior art, since a similar interface was used in Macromedia HomeSite or whatever it was called.
In addition, Microsoft is taking advantage of licenses: They don't want other office suites, regardless of license, to be publicly released with Ribbon, because "it will help you tap into the full potential of Office". No matter what MS intends on doing with that policy, it's an excellent but unfair decision-something that WordPerfect can't take advantage of, but will more likely screw Office users.
I've now installed OxygenOffice on my computer at work because I can't get used to the shitty ribbon UI. MS Office 2010 is supposed to be better but I don't see the point in paying more for what is probably only a bug fix for the shit UI.
Microsoft and their "innovative" GUIs.
The fan made "Copenhagen" concept for Windows 8 looks like it will need more clicks to achieve the same thing. It also bears a resemblance to Blackbox of *Nix fame.
If OOo is going to do a similar thing, I hope they make a decent job of it or do as AutoCAD have done and provide an option to revert back to the old UI.
At least with OpenOffice.org, you get to modify the GUI, if you're good at the OOP juggernauts C++ and Java.
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At least with OpenOffice.org, you get to modify the GUI, if you're good at the OOP juggernauts C++ and Java.
I shouldn't need to know any of that shit to get the UI to work how I want it to.
By the way, I noticed we're not up to RC6 for OOo 3.3, it looks like there're a lot of bugs that need to be squashed. I think I'll leave upgrading for awhile. I'll wait until the OxygenOffice version has been out for a bit before upgrading to it.
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A month later and OOo 3.3 still isn't out, it's on RC8. I'm glad they've not released it too soon and think it's better to hold back rather than having an unstable product.
I've been on an AutoCAD course and I still hate the ribbon UI. It's the lack of a menu bar which I can't stand. I enabled the classic menu bar and could find the commands much more quickly even though the instructor was teaching assuming everyone was using ribbon!
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Yup, I've had the same experience when dealing with Office. Stuff I could find in Office 2000/2003 takes ages to find in 2007. Just can't get used to it for some reason.
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Wow, OOo 3.3 up to RC9 now, this must be a record!
Oh well, at least this means it should be stable.
I won't upgrade as soon as it's released, I'll wait for the OxygenOffice version to come out
Anyone tried 3.3? What's the UI like?
I don't normally bother with RC versions as I value stability too much.
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I actually used Office 2010 the other day, I'd say the Ribbon UI is better than the original Office 07 ribbon, but a lot of stuff still doesn't quite make sense. Which how much they changed it, you still just get this feeling you're beta testing it.
Put it this way, it's different enough from the '07 Ribbon, that I had trouble doing basic things. Just like when 07 first came out.
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What do I think of it?
LEAVE ME ALONE WITH YOUR GODDAMNED CLIPART!!!
I can't take it anymore! *sobs*
Seriously, it's not MS word, its MS clipart, its all its about nowadays...
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Wow, OOo 3.3 up to RC9 now, this must be a record!
Oh well, at least this means it should be stable.
I won't upgrade as soon as it's released, I'll wait for the OxygenOffice version to come out
Anyone tried 3.3? What's the UI like?
I don't normally bother with RC versions as I value stability too much.
I love oxygenoffice! :D
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I love oxygenoffice! :D
Me too but I notice it doesn't circumvent password protected MS Office documents like normal OpenOffice does so I've got the portable version of normal OOo sitting in My Documents.
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I've noticed there's no OxygenOffice 3.3 out.
Does anyone here know if it's still being developed? I'm happy with OxygenOffice 3.2.1 for now as I still think it's better than standard OOo or LibreOffice but I'll drop it and upgrade soon if it's no longer active. May be I'll wait for OOo 3.4 or higher before I drop OxygenOffice.
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When I heard OS X 10.7 was dropping Rosetta it meant that the last version of Word I could tolerate, 2004 would no longer run. I'm a writer by profession so whether or not I'm comfortable with my word processor is important. I had been chanting that I'd move away from Word to Pages or OpenOffice for a couple years now, all dependent upon when 2004 stopped running. That time came sooner than expected.
The other day I was looking for some decent resume templates and Word had none. Pages is only $19.99 at the app store, and I remember from the very first version that its templates were nice. This was a perfect time for me to evaluate Pages and OpenOffice side by side and finally dump Office.
I used OpenOffice enough in Linux to have a general idea about it. No complaints. I even used it back when it was called StarOffice. The question was really how well it performed and integrated into OS X. While it's not bad, it still doesn't feel like a native Mac app -- because it isn't. NeoOffice alleviates that problem to some extent, but it always felt sort of like a clumsy hack -- because it pretty much is.
The last time I used Pages it was 1.0, PPC only, and cost about $49-59 I believe. "Beyond Microsoft" was actually written in the first version of Pages, on my old iBook, at a coffee shop. At my old job I needed to do page layout frequently, and Pages is a champ at that. At the time it didn't have grammar check though, and although I'm not a horrible writer, it tends to catch typing mistakes. I continued using it for page layout, but not writing.
Pages is at version 4.5 right now and more advanced, as you'd expect after four major revisions. In 1.0 there were minor issues, like not being able to set a default margin and no thesaurus or dictionary integration. Now OS X has a system wide dictionary, thesaurus, and grammar check. The application is responsive, something I could never say about Word. It naturally feels like a Mac app since Apple designed it. The full screen mode is cool too. OpenOffice has more capabilities, but are they ones that I'll actually use? Probably not any time soon. Pages' interface just feels more 'alive' for lack of a better description. Since its a native Cocoa app I have access to things like speech.
I should have prefaced this by saying I was a bit dumbfounded by the OpenOffice / LibreOffice split and opted to test LibreOffice throughout all of this (despite saying OpenOffice numerous times). It seems like LibreOffice will be the future, but as long as Sun/Oracle holds onto the OpenOffice name the general public may be confused. Personally, both sides' developers have good arguments for their respective forks. Choosing between the two was complicated enough for me; I can't imagine how a layman would feel.
While I'm primarily concerned with Word I also downloaded Numbers to replace Excel. I haven't used it too much yet, but given that I never use Excel's more advanced features it should be fine. Thankfully I haven't had to give any presentations lately, but Keynote has obliterated PowerPoint since the very first version. No exaggeration.
Office was the final MS app I had on my machine. Now I am no longer a hypocrite and completely free of MS.
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I like the iWork package, in my opinion, it's the best office suite out there.
I saw the suite last year in action, but it couldn't save to Microsoft formats yet, which could get you in trouble at school or work (they all want .doc or .xls, etc.). The collaboration on iWork.com is also a major improvement.
I don't know if iWork has SQL integration yet (which is a huge requirement in business surroundings), but if it does, there is no reason anymore to use Microsoft Office for Mac.
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Pages could export to .doc and .pdf since version 1.0. Keynote could export to .ppt as well. Dunno, maybe Numbers couldn't export .xls files at some point. Or perhaps the iPad/iPhone version of Pages had that issue? Doubt it, but not entirely sure.
Which leads to another thing. I'm planning to get an iPad 2 pretty soon and having a completely compatible office suite on there will be nice. If I ever need to write something in a pinch and have computer problems, I can use a bluetooth keyboard with the iPad and be back in business quickly.
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I'm happy with OxygenOffice 3.2.1 for now as I still think it's better than standard OOo or LibreOffice but I'll drop it and upgrade soon if it's no longer active.
I run GO-OO, the OpenOffice.org Patch, and it works well.
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I've used GO-OO before, it's good but not as good as OxygenOffice so I'll give it a pass.