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Operating Systems => Not Quite Mainstream OSes => Topic started by: AdmiralAK on 19 March 2003, 01:04

Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: AdmiralAK on 19 March 2003, 01:04
Contrary to popular belief, BeOS did not die with its aquisition by Palm.


The zeta project (http://www.yellowyab.com) is making an OS that is the next generation of BeOS (it will be commercial). It is made from the ground up I believe and it will be binary compatible with BeOS 5 apps.

BeOS MAX Edition (http://www.beosmax.org) and BeOS DevEd (http://www.beosonline.com) are BeOS distros based on BeOS Personal Edition 5 which include all patches needed to run BeOS on modern architectures.

Finally the OpenBeOS project (http://www.openbeos.org) is making strides at creating its own distro  (http://smile.gif)


I am getting my copies tomorrow in the mail lol ;)
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: Kintaro on 19 March 2003, 01:10
Great another propartary Operating System on the market.
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: slave on 19 March 2003, 01:18
Um, it looks like KDE 1.0...

http://www.beosmax.org/screenshots/MaxV2/Image_02.jpg (http://www.beosmax.org/screenshots/MaxV2/Image_02.jpg)
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: devlkore on 19 March 2003, 13:32
quote:
Originally posted by EX ONE ONE:
Great another propartary Operating System on the market.


What does that mean exactly?

Would you rather everything was a linux?
(that's not an assumption, just a question)
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: Pantso on 19 March 2003, 18:54
quote:
Originally posted by EX ONE ONE:
Great another propartary Operating System on the market.


Propartary?   :confused:   Did you mean proprietary X11? If so, what lead you to that conclusion? I think that it's nice to have more Operating Systems around as this gives people more choice!

BTW, indeed it looks a bit like KDE 1.0 but I really like the desktop look!
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: AdmiralAK on 20 March 2003, 00:23
lol...
Nothing is free, even linux. SuSE only gives out an evaluation of its product as a free download, Lindows does not give out ANY free trial, you have to buy it.

Both BeOS Max and BeOS DevEd are based on the Personal Edition of BeOS which was Free, therefore these guys have no right to sell their product, it MUST be free! Also this is the way BeOS looked since its inception in 97  ;)  -- what it looks like today has no bearing, it still kicks arse  (http://smile.gif)

As for Zeta, people can work on it, it is not free, it will cost something, these guys have not used any BeOS code as far as I know (it would be illegal to do so), and they have invested a lot of time and effort to make an OS that looks like, behaves like, and is a sucessor to BeOS, and can run all BeOS apps without any modification, that is qute a feat. If you do not like it tough  (http://smile.gif)

Admiral
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: flap on 20 March 2003, 00:54
quote:
Originally posted by devlkore:


What does that mean exactly?

Would you rather everything was a linux?
(that's not an assumption, just a question)


He means proprietary (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#ProprietarySoftware).
And no, we wouldn't prefer that everything was a linux, but rather that everything was Free.

 
quote:
Nothing is free, even linux. SuSE only gives out an evaluation of its product as a free download, Lindows does not give out ANY free trial


Lindows isn't free software and doesn't claim to be, and Suse similarly contains non-free software. Other distros like Red Hat, Debian etc. are free  - both in terms of cost, (to which I believe you are referring), and freedom (which is more important.)
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: slave on 20 March 2003, 01:07
quote:
lol...
Nothing is free, even linux.


Do you work for Microsoft?
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Post by: AdmiralAK on 20 March 2003, 01:41
hahahaha... heck no... I need to take a bath now just for the implication lol  (http://tongue.gif)

I am an avid mac user actually under which I have Rhapsody, Nextstep, openstep, OS/2, qnx, amigaOS, GEM, linux, and BeOS running under emulation in MacOS X  (http://smile.gif)
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: pkd_lives on 20 March 2003, 20:18
quote:
Originally posted by Admiral:

Nothing is free, even linux. SuSE only gives out an evaluation of its product as a free download, Lindows does not give out ANY free trial, you have to buy it.


Sorry to blow your bubble, SuSE does give out it's software free it does not give .iso out, you have to perform a live install, and yes it does use proprietary code, from codeweavers if I remeber correctly, which might explain why it's not what I use. Lindows should be providing all code derived from it's use of Debian as its linux base, if the proprietary code is based on GPLd code than it is breaking the terms of it's license. Lindows is a software package that sits on top of a Linux distro., it appears. If this is the case they are fine, but I will not be using it any time.

When people talk about free round here they generally mean free as in open source (and preferably GPLd). That is most peoples guide line. Personally I will not use any proprietary code because there is nothing it can do, that I need, that can't be done on an open source Operating System. So in that respect any work on BeOS is a total waste of time.

That is not to decry the skills and work of those involved with the project, but I don't need another proprietary Operating System. Now if it came out as Open source under a good Open Source license, then that would change the picture considerably. But I no longer use programs, Operating Systems and indeed any form of software that is not at the very least Open source in its entirety, meaning all the source is available. It is the major reason I have not brought a MAC yet, until they go completly OSS on their OS I'm not interested (oh and they have to remove all the Microsoft crap, and M$ can have no payment of money or services from Mac for any reason). There is no need. no requirement to use closed source software. And as it is a major security risk, and no closed source company meets my basic requirements for patching bugs, I cannot understand why anyone still uses it.
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: Calum on 20 March 2003, 20:39
has admiral never heard of the hundreds of linux, bsd and even dos based operating systems out there that are totally free? the best examples of these (red hat, mandrake, freebsd and many more) are better (more stable, more secure et c) than most proprietary systems.

and i think admiral already knows the difference between free as in lunch and free as in freedom, or he wouldn't have responded by talking about free software in response to a comment about proprietary software.

and it really does look like kde1!
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: AdmiralAK on 20 March 2003, 22:21
Thanks Calum,
I know the difference.
One thing before I continue. MAC does not mean macintosh, MAC is a networking term. Mac = Macintosh.

Apple makes hardware, just like sun, and they have a proprieraty, yet open source system, that runs on that hardware almost seamlessly, something that Solaris and MacOS have been doing for some time now, unlike M$ Windex, and certain linuxen that are a pain in the arse to set up.

I DO know about all the free linux, BSD and DOS OSes that exist. I Frequent this site, linux.org and Freeos.com, and as a matter of fact have a long list of FreeOSes which I have downloaded and installed at some point or another on my spare PC (which only sees third party OS action for the past 2 years).

Finally, LETS NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO LINUX AND HOW GREAT IT IS BECAUSE ITS "FREE" .... the point is not to bash other OSes here, the point is to look to Alternatives to Windex that work for each one of us.

Admiral
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: slave on 20 March 2003, 22:25
quote:
they have a proprieraty, yet open source system


Another reason I dislike the term 'open source.'  Stallman was right!
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: slave on 20 March 2003, 22:36
In fact I've changed my sig in protest.
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Post by: AdmiralAK on 20 March 2003, 23:02
Childish  (http://smile.gif)
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Post by: Kintaro on 21 March 2003, 01:36
quote:
Originally posted by devlkore:


What does that mean exactly?

Would you rather everything was a linux?
(that's not an assumption, just a question)


www.gnu.org (http://www.gnu.org) answers that, and www.stallman.org (http://www.stallman.org)

All propatary software is a threat to the freedom of comuter software.
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: Kintaro on 21 March 2003, 01:37
quote:
Originally posted by Admiral:
lol...
Nothing is free, even linux. SuSE only gives out an evaluation of its product as a free download, Lindows does not give out ANY free trial, you have to buy it.

Both BeOS Max and BeOS DevEd are based on the Personal Edition of BeOS which was Free, therefore these guys have no right to sell their product, it MUST be free! Also this is the way BeOS looked since its inception in 97   ;)   -- what it looks like today has no bearing, it still kicks arse   (http://smile.gif)  

As for Zeta, people can work on it, it is not free, it will cost something, these guys have not used any BeOS code as far as I know (it would be illegal to do so), and they have invested a lot of time and effort to make an OS that looks like, behaves like, and is a sucessor to BeOS, and can run all BeOS apps without any modification, that is qute a feat. If you do not like it tough   (http://smile.gif)  

Admiral


Earth to idiot: Free as in freedom not money.
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: Pantso on 21 March 2003, 01:39
quote:
Originally posted by X11:
..propatary software..


It's fuckin' proprietary damnit, not propatary!! Sheesh!    :mad:
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: Kintaro on 21 March 2003, 01:40
and you expected for me to know english?
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Post by: Pantso on 21 March 2003, 01:50
LOL   :D  . You're crazy man..   (http://smile.gif)
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: AdmiralAK on 24 March 2003, 17:02
Hahahaha,
he is calling me an idiot, yet he is the illiterate one  (http://smile.gif)
If I have to pick one of the two, I will be an idiot, thank-you-very-much  (http://smile.gif)


you know a FREE spell checker does exist for linux  (http://smile.gif)  --- use  it  :D

And don't stoop to name calling, it just makes you look foolish  (http://smile.gif)

Admiral
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: Calum on 24 March 2003, 20:11
what makes you say that, poopyhead!   ;)     :D  

good points, admiral.
still, i agree with stallman. software should be free, like speech should be free.

while i think there are some companies out there (apple, palm, riscos ltd and so on) who are doing really good work, most of them are working on proprietary software. also those companies are not really screwing people. none of them are market leaders, so it's usually to their benefit to release software that is genuinely good, in the hope thaT people will buy it for that reason.

No companies except microsoft rely on people buying their products simply because 'that's what we have at work' or 'that's what my mates all use'. This is why it is okay to entertain the idea of using proprietary software.

still a number of points spring to mind.
firstly, if a company goes bust, you're stuffed. Be went bust recently, and BeOS suffered a huge knock as a result. What if i spent
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Post by: Kintaro on 25 March 2003, 10:35
quote:
Originally posted by Admiral:
Hahahaha,
he is calling me an idiot, yet he is the illiterate one   (http://smile.gif)  
If I have to pick one of the two, I will be an idiot, thank-you-very-much   (http://smile.gif)  


you know a FREE spell checker does exist for linux   (http://smile.gif)   --- use  it   :D  

And don't stoop to name calling, it just makes you look foolish   (http://smile.gif)  

Admiral


Well then I better keep name calling, its bad to deny who you really are.

FUCKASS CUNT COCK WEENER.
Title: BeOS IS alive ;)
Post by: AdmiralAK on 25 March 2003, 16:51
Ahhhhh... the maturity level of a 2-year-old   :rolleyes:  
Go on now son, go play in the sandbox and let us grown ups talk about serious issues  :D


Admiral