Stop Microsoft
Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: Kintaro on 16 June 2010, 21:56
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I am leaving until every moderator is demoted except for Refalm. Posts by anyone or everyone are continuously moved to the dead thread zone when they contain no advertising, child porn, or even angry outbursts. 90% of the active members on this site are active moderators and this is unnecessary. In fact, it has always been what is killing this forum.
Since it is clear history is going to repeat itself, I am not going to waste my time repeating it with you. Get rid of every last moderator!
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Yes perhaps there are too many moderators.
I certainly haven't ever deleted anything except for spam, porn or warez ever.
Goodness knows why this is in the bin.
http://www.stop-microsoft.org/bbs/index.php/topic,12412.msg136106.html#new (http://www.stop-microsoft.org/bbs/index.php/topic,12412.msg136106.html#new)
I think moderators should say why they edit or bin a post and shitty commends such as language aren't acceptable in my book.
I believe in laissez-faire moderation - less is better.
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Lead Head made the most recent binning and he doesn't even use the fucking site.
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Cry.
But anyways, I reported that post (even though I'm a moderator) because it would be useful to begin a discussion about posts with blatant obscene language and little else in the way of content. Lead Head was clearly dealing with that report, and I have no problem with the way he did that.
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Excuse me but I thought this was Fuck Microsoft where obscene language was allowed?
Fair enough, if he's making post after post of nothing but fuck bullshit cunt etc. then remove it because it's spamming but otherwise, I think it's best to leave it so others can form their opinions about the post question.
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Your language is horrific. Hate to be you.
Oh no, I hope his post was removed because he said something really fucked up as opposed to simply saying a bad word like fuck or cunt.
I'm not sure what you're saying? You do realize he used the word faggots to describe the developers? There are very few times I look upon a bad word with disgust (you know I use them all the time) - but I have a problem when a post seems to serve no other purpose than to contain obscene language - that makes it an obscene post, that should probably be dealt with imo.
How do youse feel about obscene language? I don't think it's useful btw to simply edit and/or bin offending posts - offenders should be warned, and then temp banned for consistent abuse imo, and that's the important part.
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Excuse me but I thought this was Fuck Microsoft where obscene language was allowed?
Fair enough, if he's making post after post of nothing but fuck bullshit cunt etc. then remove it because it's spamming but otherwise, I think it's best to leave it so others can form their opinions about the post question.
See the other thread. Allowing obscene language and allowing pointlessly obscene posts is different imo, maybe you disagree?
But anyways I do not take your point about this being Fuck Microsoft - it clearly isn't. And maybe it shouldn't be, being that there are kids on here, always was and always will be.
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Moved post here because the TDZ is not for discussion.
I'm not sure what you're saying? You do realize he used the word faggots to describe the developers?
No I didn't realise that because it had been deleted before I got chance to see it so I didn't get to forum my own opinion.
I don't see the big deal if all he did was call the developers faggots; that's he opinion so what?
I might have found his remark pathetic but I didn't get chance to come to my own conclusion because supernanny.over there thought someone else or I might be offended.
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I use the word faggot pretty leisurely. What it looked like to me is that my post was deleted for no real reason at all. I didn't even notice the obscenity because that is just how casually I make the obscenity.
In any case, who cares about the obscenity, keeping it where it was served more of a chance of me looking like a wanker. I find it startling that people care so much about preserving my dignity.
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Moved post here because the TDZ is not for discussion.
I'm not sure what you're saying? You do realize he used the word faggots to describe the developers?
No I didn't realise that because it had been deleted before I got chance to see it so I didn't get to forum my own opinion.
I don't see the big deal if all he did was call the developers faggots; that's he opinion so what?
I might have found his remark pathetic but I didn't get chance to come to my own conclusion because supernanny.over there thought someone else or I might be offended.
Excuse me? Someone reported the post, which means somebody took offense to it. He called the developers faggots, and for all I know PiratePenguin could be a developer for Ubuntu/Debian/any other OS that uses apt.
A lot of Kintaro's posts have been reported, and this is the only one that I've really found that could be offensive. (well not counting the "I've always wanted to fuck an albino", but I wasn't sure about that one, didn't really bother me all that much). Most of the reported posts were just trivial stuff that did not matter at all, like the whole English national anthem thing. I would have restored it, but I didn't want to step on anybody's toes. For that matter, I haven't binned a single thread by Kintaro and have no clue as to why this one and all the others ended up in the DTZ.
As far as me not using this site, I read the forums almost every day and check out almost all the new posts. Just because I don't always reply to things doesn't mean I don't use the site.
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This is basically what Kintaro's post consisted (don't expect this to be exact - it's from memory):
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I am sure you all pay attention to the patches those faggot developers throw into your system through apt-get.
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Kintaro, I know you use language such as this leisurely, hence my response: I reported your post for language and more specifically I responded with "horrible language, hate to be you". Normally I use bad language to further my point - but I'd tend to use words like idiot developers here rather than faggot developers, because that serves my purpose much better.
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"Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me."
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Excuse me? Someone reported the post, which means somebody took offense to it. He called the developers faggots, and for all I know PiratePenguin could be a developer for Ubuntu/Debian/any other OS that uses apt.
A lot of Kintaro's posts have been reported, and this is the only one that I've really found that could be offensive. (well not counting the "I've always wanted to fuck an albino", but I wasn't sure about that one, didn't really bother me all that much). Most of the reported posts were just trivial stuff that did not matter at all, like the whole English national anthem thing. I would have restored it, but I didn't want to step on anybody's toes. For that matter, I haven't binned a single thread by Kintaro and have no clue as to why this one and all the others ended up in the DTZ.
As far as me not using this site, I read the forums almost every day and check out almost all the new posts. Just because I don't always reply to things doesn't mean I don't use the site.
And you are not the only one doing this, just about every member is a moderator and is binning others threads. "What is lost?" seems to be the attitude towards it. Well, in the case I mentioned, what has been lost is the discussion me and Aloone Jones were having. These are informal discussions, that is why forums exist anywhere, and moderating them in this fashion is an act of taking all of this far too seriously.
I don't understand how you guys are so protective and overbearing of this place. It is almost like this site is the only thing that gives your lives meaning, well, god bless you. Because in doing it, you take away any meaning this site could possibly have to the outside observer. To anyone outside, this group just looks like a bunch of idiots getting erections over their mod powers. So nobody ever comes in, and in doing that, you inform nobody of your cause and actually help Microsoft.
Enjoy helping Microsoft.
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I looked at the moderator log and this is what I notice:
- refalm has a billion entries editing stuff - what is this refalm? Is it scripts updating posts or something?
- Other moderators are just doing their job
I think it's a credit to this community that a large handful of all of the committed, tried and tested members can all have administrative rights and they AREN'T abused.
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Well, all I know is that every time a post is made it goes in the draw to win the grand prize of being randomly deleted.
Why is everyone a moderator in the first place? Because they got made moderators in response to the influx of trolls many years ago. After that, they were never removed, and with the moderator powers everyone else was scared away. Now this forum is just a circlejerk of overbearing cunts and as a place for discussion is rendered useless.
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Anyway, just a note for Refalm who I been unable to contact...
We have talked about this a little. Removing everyone from being a moderator would stir everyone up. Suddenly, the only power these individuals have in their lives will be lost and it might seem that they will all leave the forum. I want to assure you that there is no meaning in the lives of these people either, so that cannot happen, they will always come back. This change will finally allow the forum to expand and stop intimidating new members.
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I looked at the moderator log and this is what I notice:
- refalm has a billion entries editing stuff - what is this refalm? Is it scripts updating posts or something?
I'm currently posting some interesting threads on Twitter, to try and gain more traffic.
Those edited posts are usually old posts that generate traffic, but are broken due to dead links, or ridiculous spelling errors. I want to leave a good impression for visitors.
Ironically my thread about improving the forum by reducing censors was censored by some COMPLETE FUCKING FAGGOT, who locked the thread. While using these moderator powers, he admits that he doesn't really even use the forum.
This censorship claim is bullshit, the posts by you that I delete are usually ones that involve personal attacks, which you yourself don't like. It's kind of hypocritical to claim that people should stop making stuff so personal around this forum, while you are the one that does it more frequently than anyone else here.
The claim that you are unable to contact me is bullshit too, since I'm in your MSN, AIM, Facebook and Gmail list. I apologize for not living in your timezone, but I'm beginning to like this country, so I won't be moving to Indonesia or Australia any time soon.
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I do not care about the posts YOU delete Refalm, this is your property. I started a discussion about too many moderators and ironically some clown deleted it who rarely even posts. I just don't think every member should be a moderator - it is retarded.
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Thread unbinned for now.
Big deal, he called the developers faggots. In my view there was no need for his post to be deleted, even if someone did take offence.
I don't think there's any censorship agenda but there are definitely too many moderators and I hope that most people won't leave because they've had their moderator status removed.
Yes, this is Refalm's forum but that also means who he has as moderator is also his decision.
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What happened to the other thread "Certainly bye" I can't find it. It seemed to disappear after moving this to the lounge, sorry if it's my fault.
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my work firewall is currently stopping me reading page one of this thread, but from the gist of page two i think it's fair to say this:
it's a sad state of affairs when doubts raised about censorship are censored. Whoever did it should be ashamed of themselves and whoever tries to defend them should be ashamed too.
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What happened to the other thread "Certainly bye" I can't find it. It seemed to disappear after moving this to the lounge, sorry if it's my fault.
I merged both threads.
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my work firewall is currently stopping me reading page one of this thread, but from the gist of page two i think it's fair to say this:
it's a sad state of affairs when doubts raised about censorship are censored. Whoever did it should be ashamed of themselves and whoever tries to defend them should be ashamed too.
What there's censorship at work or do you mean at the MES?
Yes, you're right that deleting Kintaro's remark is censorship. I was doubting that there's a general policy of censorship here but when I now I think about it, I'm not too sure. If someone had made the same remark about the MS Office developers, would it have been dealt with in the same manner? I doubt it. Whilst I accept this is an anti-MS forum, it's pointless if criticism of non-MS products and particularly FOSS is not allowed. Moderators should be as unbiased as possible when carrying out their duties.
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yeah, there's some censorship at my work, but that's because they try and filter out all the sites nobody needs in order to do their job, fair enough, as it's a private network.
But yeah, what i meant was that there is too much censorship on the MES, with no rhyme or reason to it, especially of kintaro. That's my opinion anyway.
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my work firewall is currently stopping me reading page one of this thread, but from the gist of page two i think it's fair to say this:
it's a sad state of affairs when doubts raised about censorship are censored. Whoever did it should be ashamed of themselves and whoever tries to defend them should be ashamed too.
What there's censorship at work or do you mean at the MES?
Yes, you're right that deleting Kintaro's remark is censorship. I was doubting that there's a general policy of censorship here but when I now I think about it, I'm not too sure. If someone had made the same remark about the MS Office developers, would it have been dealt with in the same manner? I doubt it. Whilst I accept this is an anti-MS forum, it's pointless if criticism of non-MS products and particularly FOSS is not allowed. Moderators should be as unbiased as possible when carrying out their duties.
Lol, I would've reported kintaros post if his remark referred to MS Office developers, for sure. It is the language used that I found disgusting, that is all.
I am not disgusted for the developers sake, but simply because Kintaro felt the need to use that language, in a simple one-line post about patches.
So, I take it we're going to allow all types of excessive language on here then? (even when a post seems to serve little other purpose)
If someone will clarify I won't report such a post again.
Btw Ref, you can take my moderatorship off me - I don't even use it. But I think Kintaro is utterly wrong about the effects moderatorship is having on people, and the effects that losing that will have.
Additionally, I don't think he'll ever leave, for the same reason he gives that our moderators won't leave if their status is removed.
Also, if you do remove moderators, please leave us as VIPs for the friends of mes forum :)
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look, this is all bullshit, this thread's full of opinions and people deliberately (or worse unintentionally!) misunderstanding each other, why don't you all just grow up and get over yourselves? As if anybody even cares except the six or so people who regularly post on this board.
Yes, i'm against offensive language (ie: derogatory, sexist, bigoted etc) but for fuck's sake, two pages of discussion about calling developers faggots?
If it was reported, it's because the person reporting it was offended, so yeah, there's a case in that ONE instance, imho, but in this case it was a moderator reporting it because he thought it might have offended somebody else (somebody who didn't report it). As i said, grow up. Take action when somebody really is offended and not before, i say. There are a LOT worse things you could be putting your energy into than complaining about swear words.
Hopefully none of that was offensive to any of you...
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look, this is all bullshit, this thread's full of opinions and people deliberately (or worse unintentionally!) misunderstanding each other, why don't you all just grow up and get over yourselves? As if anybody even cares except the six or so people who regularly post on this board.
Yes, i'm against offensive language (ie: derogatory, sexist, bigoted etc) but for fuck's sake, two pages of discussion about calling developers faggots?
If it was reported, it's because the person reporting it was offended, so yeah, there's a case in that ONE instance, imho, but in this case it was a moderator reporting it because he thought it might have offended somebody else (somebody who didn't report it). As i said, grow up. Take action when somebody really is offended and not before, i say. There are a LOT worse things you could be putting your energy into than complaining about swear words.
Hopefully none of that was offensive to any of you...
I don't think I mentioned 'offense' in any of my deliberations explaining why I reported that post.
I am not disgusted for the developers sake, but simply because Kintaro felt the need to use that language, in a simple one-line post about patches.
imo, such posts should be discouraged by sending kintaro a warning. I don't like his language, and it is probably damaging for the community for a newcomer to notice such immaturity.
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What do you not like about his language?
Do you find the word faggot particularly offensive?
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What do you not like about his language?
Do you find the word faggot particularly offensive?
It's clearly excessive, and it doesn't help his point (e.g. idiot does though). If you use one line to make a point, it can do without the excessive language. I don't like to read such trash - that isn't why I come here. If his post was a paragraph in size and he used the same language at some point, I wouldn't have taken issue, but when I read a post that reads like nothing but disgust, I have to see it for what it is.
Makes me glad now that I made a conscience decision to stop cursing, and using disgusting language in everyday sentences (I still say words such as faggot plenty though!). But I did that when I was about 12 (because I was terrible for it, btw yes a few years later I started cursing again, but for a purpose! :) ).
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I have always found Kintaro's use of the word 'faggot' offensive.
I also think it's kinda funny that while everyone so far agrees that this forums needs less moderators, nobody is volunteering to step down.
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I volunteered to step down just a few posts up.
Also, I didn't agree that the forum needs fewer moderators.
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You will find me at www.linsux.org (http://www.linsux.org) - a forum that isn't full of easily offended faggots.
In any case, nobody is actually effected by my use of the word faggot. Simply, you people just want something to bitch about like swearing because my logic is usually superior. You have proven that you are all mostly incapable of reason in any form. Thus there is no point discussing anything with any of you - you censor anything that contradicts your opinions. Deleting that post was a parallel to a police officer who doesn't like black people deciding to evade the constitution by charging him with jaywalking.
Keep following your religion of freetardism. Keep believing that everything good must not come at any cost. Keep believing that art doesn't emanate from the mind, but from bittorrent. It will be your loss. The most evil compulsion among humans on this planet is greed for the unearned. That is what this forum really stands for, greed for the unearned. Refalm repudiates his libertarian/anarchist principles by allowing it to exist. I repudiate my own principles by being here, and cannot let that remain.
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I don't think everyone here holds those views, I certainly don't.
linsux.org LOL, what a name for a pro-Linux site?
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I made a thread about experimenting with banning name calling which appears is what some people here want to do so why not make a post in it?
http://www.stop-microsoft.org/bbs/index.php/topic,12042.0.html (http://www.stop-microsoft.org/bbs/index.php/topic,12042.0.html)
By the way, I no longer support the ban on name calling, it was just an idea. My current policy is just one of not bothering to try hold a debate with those who resort to childish name calling because going from past experience, it ends in a downward spiral.
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They are a harbor for trolls - and these the ports of lulz are where most deport upon in their browsers even if they like Linux and even if they like Windows. You don't even have to be a troll at all - for among one another we all understand the code. When you delete shit because it is "annoying" you are annoyed about something and that is what they have to say. This nursery of tantrums grows tiresome - there are more orderly places with rules enforced by the software rather than the power-lust of you retards. That is, the software prevents members from destroying the posts of other members. Bans are only used for posts that are illegitimate and in fucked up languages, in every forum that works. But not this forum!
You could just pass the site to me, we could turn it into a game. I'll change the name of the forum into "Promote Microsoft," and that forum comes with its own band of freetard trolls. I can create about 8 boards about Microsoft products, ban you all from trolling, and wipe this virus of angry circlejerking out.
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Why not buy fuckmicrosoft.com if you want to do that?
It's still up for sale.
http://www.microsuck.com/Microsoft_Eradication_Society/Welcome..html (http://www.microsuck.com/Microsoft_Eradication_Society/Welcome..html)
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KINTARO FUCK OFF ALREADY
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i volunteered to stand down as a moderator about five years ago, and i think i was ignored tbh. i didn't want to remain associated with this site because it just has too high a concentration of hypocrisy.
Now, i don't care either way, because i haven't seen anything on here for years that genuinely needs moderated (well, except one or two things, and i report them, rather than taking direct action, nothing ever gets done).
re: kintaro, he makes at least as much sense as any other poster here and he's the only one constantly having to justify his existence, imho it's the rest of you that need to take a chill pill.
And re: the language, if you (the rhetorical "you") can't see the sense in what a person is saying simply because they said "fuck" or "shit" then it's YOU that needs to grow up. Personally i think this site pussied out when it stopped calling itself fuckmicrosoft.com. That was the only thing attracting new posters anyway.