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Redmond, WA => I Love Microsoft => Topic started by: Kintaro on 30 May 2010, 13:41

Title: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Kintaro on 30 May 2010, 13:41
I just downloaded and installed Windows 2008 server. I am going to marry it.

Everything is so fucking simple to do. Terrorists could bomb your keyboard and you will still be able to stop them with your incredible account suspending abilities via mouse. For active directory / ldap based shit configuration is incredibly easy. Getting cygwin working on it properly was also quite easy. Windows 2008 is much like 2003 except that now it comes with some pretty interesting add ons for Active Directory. There is an add on for a HTTPS SSO that you can use in website development for authentication, which seemed pretty neat. Yet, the whole system has a very private feel about it. As usual it has stubborn old IIS.

Yet that is the problem using cygwin seems to solve quite well. Building Apache 2.2.0 is simple enough, and makes the system much nicer. There are also good Windows builds but using cygwin leaves the option of being able to add modules later. All Windows really needs is a BSD ports tree for this kind of shit and Linux is finished.

On Windows Server 2008 on the first boot it took me about 30 minutes to have DNS, DHCP, BOOTP, Active Directory, Deployment Services, and L2TP running. Cygwin took a while after to download and install, one could just keep a tarball of c:\cygwin for multiple servers. All this that quickly is impressive and feels deliciously lavish even with the sacrafice of 'total control' (you know, like how you have 'total control' of the downstream Linux devs) over the system it seems worth it for small and medium sized networks.

Also I think it makes a joke of everyone here about seven years ago including me there is also a feature for BIND secondaries under the Windows DNS server.

<3 Microsoft.
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: worker201 on 30 May 2010, 19:26
Oh, is Server 2008 freeware?  I didn't know that you could just download and install it whenever you felt like it.
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: piratePenguin on 30 May 2010, 21:41
I also didn't know you could marry it.

I'd marry it, and get a divorce. And then I'd never need to work. Flawless.
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Kintaro on 30 May 2010, 23:23
Oh, is Server 2008 freeware?  I didn't know that you could just download and install it whenever you felt like it.

I don't think Microsoft really care about me pirating their stuff. They are too busy suing Government schools and Government offices. Microsoft could give that money back to the taxpayer in a Bill Gates as Robin Hood PR stunt!
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Kintaro on 30 May 2010, 23:26
I also didn't know you could marry it.

I'd marry it, and get a divorce. And then I'd never need to work. Flawless.

Keep not working, you might just never make something of yourself one day.

How did not working become an ideal? I personally blame Calum Carlyle for raising us wrong.
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: piratePenguin on 30 May 2010, 23:50
My post was a joke.
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Kintaro on 31 May 2010, 00:24
Mine was a passive observation followed by a joke. We have something in common. Want to have gay sex?
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Refalm on 31 May 2010, 10:49
Other than Novell and Mandriva, there are no real good directory servers out there.
Lots of organizations choose Windows Server 2008 R2 to do that, even if they run Linux desktops.

People say Linux focusses a lot on servers, but on directory services, Microsoft is beating it.
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Kintaro on 31 May 2010, 15:30
Other than Novell and Mandriva, there are no real good directory servers out there.
Lots of organizations choose Windows Server 2008 R2 to do that, even if they run Linux desktops.

People say Linux focusses a lot on servers, but on directory services, Microsoft is beating it.

You could be strung out on heroin and still get ActiveDirectory to work. When it comes to web servers and databases there are a lot of security considerations involving the Internet. Yet, when you have a virtually standalone server on your business network, you never need to update it or intervene in any way with Windows 2008. It allows one to be incredibly lazy, and for what it does, I really like that.

When it comes to VPNs as well, I like Server 2008 because I can be lazy. OpenSWAN takes a lot more work than Remote Access Services.
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Calum on 1 June 2010, 16:35
Quote from: Kintaro
How did not working become an ideal? I personally blame Calum Carlyle for raising us wrong.
Quote from: piratePenguin
My post was a joke.
So was Kintaro's! :-)
Quote
Mine was a passive observation followed by a joke. We have something in common. Want to have gay sex?
see? He knows how to laugh at life, in his own way!

Now play nicely kids!
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Kintaro on 1 June 2010, 18:40
The thing is were not kids, I'm 22 and Declan is like 19 or something. Yourlife is the new kid on the block.
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Calum on 2 June 2010, 10:34
thanks for the reminder, in some cases it can be hard to tell which of you are kids, especially for someone as old and senile as me.
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Kintaro on 2 June 2010, 22:36
I tried that defense in court on statutory rape charges. It didn't end well.
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Kintaro on 12 June 2010, 00:20
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PS C:\Users\John> sleep 14400; echo "Four hours have passed, rebooting"; Restart-Computer -Force
This is the kind of shit you can do in Powershell.
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Refalm on 12 June 2010, 12:42
You know what's bullshit on Windows Server? Updates.

Without a WSUS server, there are no automatic updates. You still have to configure Internet Explorer 8's "accelerators", and have to click "Next" all the time on a new service pack. For the trouble that is configuring a WSUS server, it isn't worth it for just a few servers.
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Kintaro on 13 June 2010, 02:57
I don't care about updates because I wouldn't forward a port to a Windows Server if my life depended on it. It just provides services to my internal network and for that roll I think it is quite luxurious and simple. All my Windows clients now automatically get IPv6 addresses, all of that is kept up to date with DNS, adding reserved addresses to DHCP is easy as hell, Active Directory works with NIS for Linux/Unix machines so I have the ability to sign on anywhere in the house, it has Federation Services as a part of Active Directory so my credentials on the system can also be used in web applications as well. Windows has a horrible security record, but for an internal backroom server doing authentication work for the Unix machines actually dealing with the requests I think the system is great in the right place.

Another bonus about the system and its very friendly management tools is that you can hire absolute dolts to do work involving accounts and such when you have lots of them. I am talking about people that are dumber than accountants - these people can ease the Administration workload as far as bullshit problems with bullshit users go, so that is always a good thing. And they can play minesweeper while doing it.

Yet I don't think the situation with updates is all that bad, my server has no problems, service packs don't come that often and when they do Microsoft release critical security updates for the old service packs for quite some time anyway. Often it is preferred to install them manually when they can make third-party shit incompatible.
Title: Re: I love Windows 2008 Server.
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 13 June 2010, 16:15
I hate automatic updates too and deem them as only being suitable for those who don't know much about security. I want to update the software on my machine when I want to, not when some software company wants me to and when I do so, I'll install only the updates I want.