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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: KernelPanic on 17 November 2002, 23:57
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I have just gravitated to the windows-free-individual level. I got Counter-Strike (yes I am very sad) working in WineX CVS 2.2.1 and it is running very nicely.
Bye Bye Windows :D
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I get a "connection refused" message when I try to log in to CVS and download the WineX CVS source from here:
http://www.transgaming.com/sources.php (http://www.transgaming.com/sources.php)
Got any ideas?
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Actually it looks like the CVS server is unavailable at this time. I guess I'll have to try again later..
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[ November 17, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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this will probibly sound stupid to you people, but how can i dl winex from transgaming through 'cvs'? never heard of cvs
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The instructions are on the page I linked above (after you scroll to the bottom and click "I Agree"). Or you can get the same instructions on the sourceforge site:
http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=17631 (http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=17631)
CVS is a versioning system. You probably have the "cvs" command installed on your system. Open a shell and type "cvs" and see if you get something. Problem is, the CVS site appears to be down right now.
[ November 17, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Void Main, how you getting along now?
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Still getting a connection refused message. I can't even get to the cvs web server. I even tried it from another machine on another network. Maybe it'll have to wait until a weekday when someone fixes it (or can you get to it at this moment?).
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let me see.....
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Indeed it seems to be down, it was OK a few hours ago. Try after work tomorrow.
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It's working now....
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Nice, but it's 1AM so i'm gonna turn in.
nite all...
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explain it to me, i dont understand, what do i put for modulename or something? Why cant i just download it?
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You'll have to ask Transgaming that question. They will let you just download it for $5/month. The instructions for downloading the CVS source are right here:
http://www.transgaming.com/sources.php (http://www.transgaming.com/sources.php)
I don't see how it can be any easier. There is a README file in the "wine" subdirectory that is created after a successful CVS download. It has build/install instructions that amount to a single command.
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yeah sorry, didnt see it.
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i downloaded the cvs thing and got winex and configure went fine but at make i got:
any ideas?
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It looks like you don't have GL installed. I was surprised that it compiled and installed without a single error or warning on my machine. But I think this is just as much crap as normal wine. But then I'm not a gamer so.... I ended up just deleting it. I don't have any Windows apps that I need to run anyway.
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i just wanna try it, thers like 1 game that i wanna play, starcraft, and it would be nice to play it, i stopped so i didnt have to look at windows, it makes me puke.
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Hey, I think I have StarCraft. Maybe I'll try to install it under wine and see how it goes. What video card do you have?
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SiS 630 (16meg), starcraft only need SVGA to run though
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Yes I have StarCraft but I accidentally stuck in Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri Planetary Pack which is installing now. (http://smile.gif)
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[sarcasm] oh excellent [/sarcasm]
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Hell, I don't know anything about games. They are my kids'. (http://smile.gif) StarCraft going in now. Have a couple of planetary packs..
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Lol sweet, itd rock if this works. God speed. lol.
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Wow, the intro was perfect. The sound is perfect. The video seems to be perfect. The mouse seems sluggish. Maybe there is something that can be done about that.
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how do u do it? did u just install straight off the cd or what? will it wok if i ran it off my win partition cos its already isntalled over there.
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woah shit i just tried it thats awsome, never worked in Red hat7.3. if you find out how to fix the mousee can you please tell me.
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I guess you have the same problem with the slow mouse? I have a feeling it's because of the CVS version probably doesn't have all of the proprietary directX stuff. Maybe if you are a gamer it would be worth the $5 to find out. And if it works for you, maybe I'll just send them some money as well.
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meh, itd cost more than 5 bucks to send it to wherever theyre from to me. lol australia is so isolated, not as much as NZ though.
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Now I'm going to ask a stupid question. What is "meh"? I've seen a few people use this term.
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sort of means stuff it, a lazy kindof word.
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so you can get WineX for free? sorry, i'm a bit slow on the uptake here. I suppose i should try it out...
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yeah very beta and they say theres no guarantee it will even compile.
but winex from CVS is fine except it doesnt have copy protection so u need to get a no dc patch to run the games.
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I fact it's not 'very beta' at all.
These are the CVS tags of the stble versions you can get:
winex-2-2-1 - Stable
winex-2-2 - Stable
winex-2-1 - Stable
winex-2-0-branch - Stable
If you use no CVS tag then, yes you do get the latest, possible buggy version.
Also, don't forget to use --enable-opengl and --with-x when you configure.
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Originally posted by -=Doogee=-:
yeah very beta and they say theres no guarantee it will even compile.
but winex from CVS is fine except it doesnt have copy protection so u need to get a no dc patch to run the games.
actually the reason i want winex to run is that i have a fully registered version of sound forge 5.0 that i have not found a linux alternative for, and it requires directx 8. It also needs to write to the registry in order to register itself, so i am not sure how these things are worked out in wineX but i suspect i might not be able to use this windows-intensive program in linux anytime soon...
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Give it a shot Calum, there's nothing to lose.
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Originally posted by -=Doogee=-:
woah shit i just tried it thats awsome, never worked in Red hat7.3. if you find out how to fix the mousee can you please tell me.
I may have just run across the solution to the StarCraft thing:
http://downloads.transgaming.com/files/winex-2_2-releasenotes.txt (http://downloads.transgaming.com/files/winex-2_2-releasenotes.txt)
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RedHat 7.2, 7.3, 8.0
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Default Kernels shipped by RedHat in versions 7.2, 7.3, and 8.0 include
patches that can cause significant performance degredations in WineX. Both
EverQuest and StarCraft are affected by these issues. For best results,
install a stock Linux kernel from Kernel.org. TransGaming is paying close
attention to this issue and we hope to have it resolved in the next WineX
release.
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Yeah, I forgot to mention that, you need to compile a stock kernel. FYI: I run 2.4.19
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Compiling now. (http://smile.gif)
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Wow! Got the stock 2.4.19 kernel (no patches) from kernel.org. Got it compiled and installed and StarCraft runs *perfectly*!! Not only that but my suggish VMware operation seems to be completely gone! 2.4.19 appears to be the way to go. To make things easier on other RedHat 8.0 people, here are the steps I took to build a new kernel with nearly the identical options of my default 2.4.18-14 kernel that was installed by default during the RedHat installation:
First make sure you have the necessary kernel development packages installed by clicking on "System Settings">"Packages" on your menu. You should have "Development Tools" and "Kernel Development" boxes checked (if not, check them). Then open a terminal and get, build, and install the 2.4.19 kernel by:
$ su -
enter root's password
# cd /usr/src
# wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 (http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2)
# tar -xvjf linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2
# rm -f linux-2.4 linux
# ln -s linux-2.4.19 linux-2.4
# ln -s linux-2.4 linux
# cd linux
# cp /boot/config-2.4.18-14 .config
# make xconfig
Click "SCSI Support", then click "SCSI low-level drivers", then set "Simple 53c710 SCSI Support" to "n". Click "OK", click "Main Menu", click "Save and Exit", click "OK". (I couldn't get the kernel to compile with this option set to module which is why we are turning it off here). Now build and install:
# make dep
# make clean
# make bzImage
# make modules
# make modules_install
# make install
If everything built properly that last command will install your kernel in /boot and add an entry in your GRUB boot menu automatically (now you will have two kernel entries on your GRUB menu, the new one will NOT be the default. Select it on the GRUB boot menu and if it boots and your system works fine you can make it the default kernel in your GRUB config file later (default=x depending on which entry your new kernel is)).
Also, if you use VMware or the NVidia kernel drivers, or any other 3rd party kernel modules they will have to be rebuilt and installed after booting the new kernel.
Have fun!!
P.S. This might be a candidate for an RH 8.0 specific FAQ question as I would highly recommend this to anyone running RedHat 8.0.
[ November 19, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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^^^^^ Man I would sure like to see the above message put into the FAQ. Could go into the Linux section under "How to upgrade RH 8.0 to kernel version 2.4.19 with no RedHat patches and gain lots of performance". Or something like that. I think/hope the instructions are good enough to work for everyone using RH 8.0. It should also work for 7.3 except for where I specifically mention menus and kernel development packages.
Everything under the 1st paragraph can go in. I know it's not a frequently asked question, but it should be. I am going to recommend that everyone do this who has RedHat 8.0 (and 7.3) and it would be nice to have a place to point them to. It would also be nice if someone can try and follow the directions and let me know if they need refining.
I guess it's really more the guts of a specialized HOWTO but we really don't have a HOWTO section on our FAQ site (yet).
[ November 19, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Hey im compiling the kernel 2.4.19 over my old mandrake one, all is going well so far. one question. how will i boot it, im not sure what the default boot loader is in mandrake but it sure as hell isnt grub. I just wanna know before i stuff anything up.
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What version of Mandrake are you running? I thought you were running RedHat 8.0. The instructions I gave were specifically for RedHat but they *should* work for Mandrake as well. If GRUB isn't your boot loader then it would be LILO.
When you do a "make install" it will search for a system script called "installkernel" which in RedHat is located in the /sbin directory. That script detects whether you are running LILO or GRUB and installs the kernel in /boot and adds the appropriate boot entries. Not sure if Mandrake has the "installkernel" script or if you have to do it manually. One way to find out, check your /etc/lilo.conf after doing a "make install" and see if there is a new kernel entry.
[ November 19, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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I am very happy about this, id say compiling a kernel might be one of the most interesting things ive ever done on a computer. thanks for the great howto void, thats definatly one for the Faq.
The only prob is something about IPVS fails, is this important? if yes how do i fix it.
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hey vmware installed fine, im liking this kernel. ive set up a VM but the doods never sent me a serial, not even an eval one, where can i retrieve mine?
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Originally posted by -=Doogee=-:
hey vmware installed fine, im liking this kernel. ive set up a VM but the doods never sent me a serial, not even an eval one, where can i retrieve mine?
Did you register for one? Usually you get one within a couple of minute of entering your email address in the trial page.
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Originally posted by -=Doogee=-:
The only prob is something about IPVS fails, is this important? if yes how do i fix it.[/b]
"ipvs" is a netfilter kernel module. It appears that it was included in 2.4.18 (or was added by Mandrake and RedHat) but is not included with the stock 2.4.19. You probably were not using it. Here is the web site that will tell you more about it:
http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ (http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/)
I assume you get an error message about a IPVS module not loading at bootup. If so you probably have a startup script somewhere that tries to load it. You can seek it out and comment it out. I don't have Mandrake installed anywhere right now or I could give you exact instructions.
The other thing that looks strange with your "uname -a" is the "unknown unknown". My "uname -a" looks like this:
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quote:
Originally posted by void main:
^^^^^ Man I would sure like to see the above message put into the FAQ. Could go into the Linux section under "How to upgrade RH 8.0 to kernel version 2.4.19 with no RedHat patches and gain lots of performance". Or something like that. I think/hope the instructions are good enough to work for everyone using RH 8.0. It should also work for 7.3 except for where I specifically mention menus and kernel development packages.
Everything under the 1st paragraph can go in. I know it's not a frequently asked question, but it should be. I am going to recommend that everyone do this who has RedHat 8.0 (and 7.3) and it would be nice to have a place to point them to. It would also be nice if someone can try and follow the directions and let me know if they need refining.
I guess it's really more the guts of a specialized HOWTO but we really don't have a HOWTO section on our FAQ site (yet).
[ November 19, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
Done & Added
View it:
http://glezhe.phpwebhosting.com/faqman/index.php?op=view&t=76 (http://glezhe.phpwebhosting.com/faqman/index.php?op=view&t=76)
EDIT: I can add a "How To" category if I wanted...
[ November 19, 2002: Message edited by: The Muffin Man: Mac Commando ]
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Originally posted by The Muffin Man: Mac Commando:
Done & Added
View it:
http://glezhe.phpwebhosting.com/faqman/index.php?op=view&t=76 (http://glezhe.phpwebhosting.com/faqman/index.php?op=view&t=76)
EDIT: I can add a "How To" category if I wanted...
Thank you *very* much. Now I have one teensie weensie little favor to ask. Could you add a disclaimer at the very top that indicates something like this:
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NOTE: These instructions are specifically designed to upgrade your RedHat 8.0 default installed kernel to the stock v2.4.19 kernel. Most of the steps also apply to other distributions so your mileage may vary. See http://www.kernel.org/ (http://www.kernel.org/) for more information the Linux kernel.
Thanks again!!
[ November 19, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Also done.
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Enjoy
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Danka!!