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Miscellaneous => Programming & Networking => Topic started by: bluesbrothercl on 3 October 2002, 04:18
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he i wanted to know if any body needed any help with web page design/
gypsyninja
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I'm not going to even try and think of a witty response. This kid says his interests are "music..hacking", his website is complete _trash_ and he can't write a decent SENTENCE.
[ October 02, 2002: Message edited by: TheQuirk ]
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i noticed that too. I was gonna say somethin to him, but i decided to reboot into Linux instead. and forgot.
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lol LOL!!!!
dude nobody used straight HTML anymore, get with the times. you won't get a job or be asked for help unless you are quite quaint with PHP and or JSP, ASP is crap and nobody wants it. Perl is also good but less popular than PHP.
?php echo("aren't i so l337 h4x0r?"); ?
:D
i can't include the triangle brackets, the forum said it's not allowed (and with good reason)
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bluesbrothermicrosofthate, look no further - you need help with web page design.
I looked at your source code and what's in the <head> should be in the <body>.
At the risk of being rude, you obviously don't know what you are doing
There is more to html/web design than meets the eye.
(http://smile.gif)
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Jimi hendrix fan club</title>
<img src="mankowitz_jimi_big.jpg"><H3>Jimi Hedrix</H3>
</head>Who is Jimi hendrix</head>
<br>Jimi hendrix to begin with is a guitar player, but there is much much more that we will never understand, but i do more than or as most as some one elase..i have read alot of books and listened to him every day for the last 3 years.<br>
<BODY bgcolor="99ffff">
</body>
</html>
is this the page you mean?
if so, i would just point out a couple of things:
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Jimi hendrix fan club</title>Okay.
<img src="mankowitz_jimi_big.jpg"><H3>Jimi Hedrix</H3>[/b]yes indeed, this stuff should not go into the head, it should be in the body. Also, if you define the font before you put in the <h3> then the heading will display using that font, rather than whatever generic serif font the browser is set to. One more thing, you must set an 'alt' attribute for all your images or people who cannot or do not load images on their browser will not know what it is a picture of. Also, you should specify in your html the size in pixels of the image, so that the page can load faster and so that if the image does not load, the page structure is still the same shape. An example follows: <img src="mankowitz_jimi_big.jpg" height="300" width="250" alt="Picture of Jimi by Mankowitz"> I didn't check if those dimensions were correct, but you get the gist...
Also you misspelled Hendrix.
</head>Who is Jimi hendrix</head>Now you opened your head tag once above, and you have closed it twice here. You only need one head tag per document and you cannot close a tag you never opened. Also, for headings you might want to use a tag such as <center></center>.
<br>Jimi hendrix to begin with is a guitar player, but there is much much more that we will never understand, but i do more than or as most as some one elase..i have read alot of books and listened to him every day for the last 3 years.<br>unfortunately this is not good english. i won't nitpick here, but good grammar and spelling is 100% necessary to convince people you can design web pages.
<BODY bgcolor="99ffff">now i don't think you need all of those new lines in there (edit - there are about 12 new lines above, however UBB has sensibly condensed them.), although they are not hurting the display of your html, they just make the source look odd. One other thing, if you define the background colour, always define the text colour as well, or people might not be able to read your site, even if you want to define the text as pure black. Example, i would have put <body bgcolor="#99ffff" text="#000000" link="#660000" vlink="#006600"> or something like it.
Also, as mentioned above, all the stuff that you want to be displayed onscreen should go after the <body> tag.
</body>
</html>fair enough, i like this bit. :D
not meaning to insult you, just a quick run through of what i noticed, when i was getting to grips with html, it took me a bit to figure out some little details...
[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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you have to have a sace after the bracket and before ?php to be able to post it
I think The Bob Hub (http://www.bobhub.tk) is pretty good for being entirely HTML (except for the bravent and zzn stuff... and the messageboard)
[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]
[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]
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Originally posted by Chooco:
lol LOL!!!!
dude nobody used straight HTML anymore, get with the times. you won't get a job or be asked for help unless you are quite quaint with PHP and or JSP, ASP is crap and nobody wants it. Perl is also good but less popular than PHP.
?php echo("aren't i so l337 h4x0r?"); ?
:D
i can't include the triangle brackets, the forum said it's not allowed (and with good reason)
Looks like you need to get with the times,
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Read the thing i made, it used too be my HTML cheat sheet early this year when i was new too HTML. Others have used it for theres.
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I think someone could do with having a to/too and their/there/they're cheat-sheet.
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Yes doing your own works, just fuck around in Mozilla Composer and see what HTML it makes, thats how i learned!
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Originally posted by Chooco:
lol LOL!!!!
dude nobody used straight HTML anymore, get with the times. you won't get a job or be asked for help unless you are quite quaint with PHP and or JSP, ASP is crap and nobody wants it. Perl is also good but less popular than PHP.
?php echo("aren't i so l337 h4x0r?"); ?
i can't include the triangle brackets, the forum said it's not allowed (and with good reason)
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Looks like you need to get with the times,
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print "Arn't i fucking good!<br>";print "because i know your webbrowser is $HTTP_USER_AGENT<br>";
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Thats PHP4!
And you could also do:
Just a lil alternate method. The echo statement. :D
Edit: Heh...forgot that closing tag...
[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: mallowman ]
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Greetings bluesbrothermicrosofthater.
I've made a good source code for you :rolleyes:
Enjoy!
[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: Refalm ]
[edited for decent word wrap]
[ October 22, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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oh so you wants to fuck do you (in a non threatening and still friendly way (http://smile.gif) )
eat this shit for dinner
i have a feeling there is something wrong with the code but i'm not quite sure, as far as i know, the code works great. you can check out this program in action here (http://66.222.144.84/calculator.php)
btw all the triangle thingies are spaced out, god bless you replace all command!
[ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: Chooco ]
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Oh, and in the meantime, allow me to horn in and co-opt this thread to plug my OWN website development services.
The Public Internet (http://www.thePublicInternet.net)
Or just click on the link at the bottom of every page of this forum and the main fuckMicrosoft.com website. (http://smile.gif)
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I don't know what's more pathetic about this topic here when I viewed it. The fact that someone was targeted and attacked like this and slammed for trying to get somewhere with HTML, or the fact that a majority of you tried to show some 1337 skills that you seriously lack and show no skill in at all.
Typing skills are nothing to begin with. As long as HTMl structure and spelling are adequete, sentance completion is un-essential to development. Oh, i'm sorry, did you not realize that < HTML > is not < This is an HTML page. > and still works? Hmm..
Reboot into Linux. Oohhh, what's more pathetic, that you shut your Linux..lemme guess, dual windows partition down just to sound like you are leet, or that you partioned Linux with windows at all? Mabye if you had a straight Unix, Debian, or Sun install that you just got out of. Otherwise...Please.
As I continue down the line of posts here, HTMl is still used in a fairly large amount of sites for people who do not need commerce for the site but want their share of the pie which is the Net. As for knowing PHP and/or JSP, you're finished at PHP, and if you go for JSP and PHP, you're just going for bragging rights. JSP takes far more resources, and finding a host that will even consider to run JSP on non windows servers is a joke. As far 'ASP isn't wanted', on the contrary. Although Microsoft sucks, ASP.NET is growing very rapidly and hundreds of commercial services worldwide are beginning to latch onto this. While I fully support a true PHP coder that is also very skilled with MySQL or even ADODB skills, unless PHP picks up, ASP will eventually provide a competition in later stages.
Next; Give em a break. It takes practice to remember everything. While you may know HTML top to bottom, there ARE people who don't. This is not an attack at you, but at least help by giving some resources he can see.
Calum; Thanks (http://smile.gif)
The Master of Reality / Bob; Thanks too.
PHP 4; Show me the stable PHP engine and people using print over the oh-so-familiar now echo, and i'll give you a pat on the back. Stable = Good. Production + Beta = Bad.
Ex Eleven / b0b; Thanks to you too.
flap; (http://tongue.gif)
Refalm; =)
Chooco; A calculator script, eh? Wow, i'm so scared you might go PiR^2 on my ass? Make a calculator script that uses MySQL for logical storing of the most used math tools or a user interface to allow switching and customization of the calculator, as well as past mathematical expressions that have been used for easy play-back. Unless you can do this, you're better off going off and making a JSP/Flash Calc (http://tongue.gif)
Webmaster; Wow, a web admin who uses WEBMASTER instead of their usual S/N...one of the rare, and few. Good job on maintaining this, and not acting like the usual admins (http://smile.gif) - Non flame.
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HTML makes for good sites that are "look at and listen" but PHP makes for sites that are "interactive"
most sites are actually pretty good with HTML but if you want a job with a company or a bussiness, you need to know something like PHP or Perl.
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Originally posted by Webmaster:
Oh, and in the meantime, allow me to horn in and co-opt this thread to plug my OWN website development services.
The Public Internet (http://www.thePublicInternet.net)
Or just click on the link at the bottom of every page of this forum and the main fuckMicrosoft.com website. (http://smile.gif)
The webmasters skills kick ass. I will have to meet him and pick his mind over a cup of tea one day :D !
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You don't have to use a database for most of those tasks. In fact, using a database will slow it down (not that you'll notice it in such a small script). Also, why do you only say "MySQL?" What about PostgreSQL? Do you think MySQL is the only "good" database? Wanna know something? MySQL can't handle "tough" work like psql or DB2.
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Originally posted by bluesbrothermicrosofthater:
he i wanted to know if any body needed any help with web page design/
gypsyninja
Honestly, I don't really need help, but if you are capable of creating a site that:
a.) Will be used for a driver's education center
b.) instructors can keep track of grades, absenses, tardies, excused absenses or tardies
c.) A place where the students can get an online curiculum and any missed assignment(s) that are uploaded by the teacher
d.) A grading system so that you can see your grade, and the teachers can enter the grades, onto the site via a php, or perl script stored in a mysql database.
e.) Figure out the average, and weight of different assignements in different assignment categories.
f.) Provide high quality images
g.) All of the above in one file either named "index.php" or "index.cgi", use the post method for all forms
h.) offer storage of username/passwords in cookies, optionally.
i.) Don't have <title> inside of <body>
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
You don't have to use a database for most of those tasks. In fact, using a database will slow it down (not that you'll notice it in such a small script). Also, why do you only say "MySQL?" What about PostgreSQL? Do you think MySQL is the only "good" database? Wanna know something? MySQL can't handle "tough" work like psql or DB2.
I'm sorry...I guess you missed the ADODB part. I take it by my use of "While I fully support a true PHP coder that is also very skilled with MySQL or even ADODB skills" where it says OR EVEN ADODB, you missed the part that ADODB provides standardized syntax allowing one script to communicate with any basic SQL servers. I think you should read that sentance over before you assume I said MySQL only ;) Just saying, just saying.
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??? saytheb, what? you just posted there slagging everybody off (albeit in an abstract, hard to understand way) and saying how sad the thread was for existing, and then you go and thank everybody who posted??? what?
also, might i say that i think most of the responses here were aimed at trying to help, not insult, as is the case with most of the topics and posts on this forum.
Welcome to the board and all that, but if you think we're all going to be slinging insults at each other just because the word 'fuck' appears in the URL, then you are sadly mistaken.
thanks for thanking me, but i don't know what for... :confused: