Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => Not Quite Mainstream OSes => Topic started by: Datacide on 26 March 2003, 01:26
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Sup, this is Datacide (As in Suidcidal Data). I am creating a new OS the is a combination of the best parts of WinXP, Linux, Mac, C++, Visual Basic, Qbasic, and so fourth. Two possible names for it are OS-NeXt, or DMS2005 (DMS: Disk Management System). This OS will have built-in what other OS's require you to buy (e.g.: one address book and one spell checker to be used by all software, built in shredder, all files encrypted when saved, and so on). I am also interested in creating a programming language. Posts your thoughts or shout out at [email protected]
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QBasic is not an OS....
Mac is not an OS.
Also, the fetures you mentioned are present in both Linux and OS X.
How old are you? You should know better than posting your e-mail, but then again your on MSN.
[ March 25, 2003: Message edited by: psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax ]
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IF THERES ONE THING I HATE ABOUT OS"S ITS THE SPELL CHECKER GAWD IT BUGS ME EVERY DAY
Sup, this is Datacide (As in Suidcidal Data).
gr8, will your new OS suicide my data?
all files encrypted when saved
paranoid are we? I can do dat with linux anyway
I am also interested in creating a programming language.
suddenly I feel the need to run screaming down the street in clown shoes shooting random people and pooping in their mouths
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I hate the internet.
YOU RUINED IT.
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...best parts of WinXP...
that would be solitaire. but embedded into the os with the address book, and the spell checker.
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Off topic: is http://www.roylindauer.com (http://www.roylindauer.com) your site? Wow! That's some quality work you have done!
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Originally posted by Datacide:
Sup, this is Datacide (As in Suidcidal Data). I am creating a new OS the is a combination of the best parts of WinXP, Linux, Mac, C++, Visual Basic, Qbasic, and so fourth. Two possible names for it are OS-NeXt, or DMS2005 (DMS: Disk Management System). This OS will have built-in what other OS's require you to buy (e.g.: one address book and one spell checker to be used by all software, built in shredder, all files encrypted when saved, and so on). I am also interested in creating a programming language. Posts your thoughts or shout out at [email protected]
Do you have any programming history (aside from finishing Learn Visual Basic in 21 Days and looking at the back for the answers only three times!)?
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
Off topic: is http://www.roylindauer.com (http://www.roylindauer.com) your site? Wow! That's some quality work you have done!
yes... i havent finnessed all the work that is there.. but i like it nontheless...
thanks though!!! :D :D
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Maybe you could consider working on another free os.
You could put these features into the other os.
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www.atheos.cx (http://www.atheos.cx)
someone should help the dude out ;) --- at least get the OS on Bootable CD format to install... having floppies and a FAT partition to have to installer file is a major pain in the arse (http://smile.gif) -- it seems like a good project however the guy has almost no time to maintain it :(
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I'd click on that link but I've grown to have a certain distrust of any .cx site.
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how so?
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have you ever heard of goatse.cx?
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this is a funny thread!
also, i think the new OS should be called OS-NeXt because i want to watch the resultant court case.
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Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
have you ever heard of goatse.cx?
cant say that I have....what is it ?! :-/
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Ok, so datacide may not have the best presentation.
But maybe he's a really good programmer and actually has some good ideas. Why don't you grow up and either give some constructive critisism or help out.
Not one of you has actually asked how he intends on doing this, there could be a plan, maybe even a good one.
Find this STufF out, then bitch at him if he's just full of it.
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Hey nothing in his post suggests he is anything more than someone posting for a laugh, there is confusion between OS and Programming language, there are terms that are not related to anything really (such as mac) he suggests using parts of other OSs, which is pretty pointless as they are protected under copyright and other licensing laws, he offers up a term for an OS that already exists (existed anyway). And what best parts of M$ Windows XP and Mac OSX? The best parts of these Operating systems were originally part of BSD (opinion of course).
There are no details on what the Operating system is going to do, how much technical knowledge he has, and what this OS is designed to do that cannot already be done elsewhere. In fact all those things exist in Linux already.
Also no statement on what license the release is intended, if it will be for sale, and what type of architecture it will be compiled for, what hardware the OS is going to need for it to run, if not generally available.
Also there is the calling it a DMS (Disk Management System), that is not really important, it is a minor part of what the OS does.
The poster is either really really taking the piss, or needs to drop a chill pill, step back and breath deeply, research the computing world a little more and then work on writting a file management tool, because it seems that is what he really wants.
If the poster is a wonderful coder, and has some ideas he wants to implement that is great, but in the past few months there have been a number of posters who have had that most revolutionary idea, of writting a new OS - Just like Linus. The reason Linus got where he did was that he did something different, did it very well, and did it because it was his hobby/fun/prefered waste of time.
There are already hundereds of projects on source forge looking for developers, coders, etc. and if these people want to help them then that would be a much more constructive area to offer their skills and ideas. And if their unltimate goal is to write an OS, then great that would teach them much more about how an OS works.
This is not meant to be some harsh bashing of the write an OS idea, but I feel the original poster is diving in the deep end. Writting an OS takes and incredible amount of knowledge, and it strikes me that the poster has not gained the rudiments of that knowledge...yet.
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Ok, look... My main goal in life is creating a better corporation than Microsoft no matter how many people tell me it's impossible. Microsoft got where it is from two things: 1) Operating Systems, and 2) Programming Languages. I have done lots of research to find out what people hate and love about Windows, Linux, OS-X, VB, QB, C++, and so on. I have a tons of documentation for my proposed OS and programming language, posted originally is just some thoughts. I am serious. I am a hacker. Therefore I could try and do it myself but that would take forever. This is no joke. If you don't want part in this development then puss out. If you don't know me, don't speculate. I can program in more languages than most people know exist. I entend to program this whole thing is pure ASM. As they said in the movie Ocean Eleven, "Are you in or are you out?"
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Ok great, but there's no need to go reinventing the wheel. I personally don't see the need for yet another programming language when we have so many to choose from (C, C++, Java, visual basic (yecch) etc.) Start small, I say. Since you want other people's assistence in creating this I assume it will be free software, right? Why not create an operating system based on already-existing technology? When you stand on the shouldrers of giants, you certainly stand a better chance at combating Microsoft or whatever it is that motivates you. Creating your own Linux distribution would be the perfect idea in my opinion. There are some nice Linux-based operating systems out there but there is always room for innovation. Anyway, I'd choose to make my first OS based on Linux, since it's well documented and there are good howto's on the linux-from-scratch website. (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/)
There are many free software projects that need good programmers. If you're interested in user interfaces, please please check out the slicKer for KDE project (http://slicker.sourceforge.net/) -- especially if you have any knowledge of QT. Anyway, I'm sure a lot of us have ideas on how to make operating systems better, so if you really are serious then just ask, but try to make it specific.
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If you want skilled help you must provide technical data, requirement for programming skills (hint : ASM is not capabale of doing what you want to do), and you need to either give an idea of salary and benefits, or provide some completed code released under an open source license, bacause you will not be able to get help otherwise. Like I said above, sourceforge has several OS projects, that are Open source, and those are the ones getting help. Everyone else who does not release under open source must pay, in some manner or other. And this information is required up front.
Your request for help will be met by more people if you present a website full of data, detailing your aims, projected future, plans, what you have done so far (no-one is going to help you develop without first having something you have already put into the project), license proposed, development schedule, etc.
If you really are as serious as you say then go for it, and best of luck, I always like to support people who have the skills and determination to do something with their lives but if you want to be that successful you need to learn what you are doing, and mindless and confused statements on a forum are not going to get you anywhere.
But if all you want to be is another Bill Gates then tough shit, I don't support him and his companies inferior software, and I don't support Lindows because he just wants to be another Bill Gates, and I try to avoid supporting any big business, because they serve little benefit to society. And you won't get any support from here if that is what you want.
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Thanx anywayz. I'll try and find support elsewhere where people have big ideas and aren't afriad of climbing out a rut and becoming known. I don't understand why so many people are afriad to try something that can change not only them but the world as well. Everyone wants to stay down and small. I am going to be someone. I am going bigger and higher. No disrespect to you guys. You ppl can countine to diss me if you want if thats how you get you kicks. Excuss me for having a dream.
I'm out (http://www.toronto2600.org).
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Originally posted by Datacide:
Thanx anywayz. I'll try and find support elsewhere where people have big ideas and aren't afriad of climbing out a rut and becoming known. I don't understand why so many people are afriad to try something that can change not only them but the world as well. Everyone wants to stay down and small. I am going to be someone. I am going bigger and higher. No disrespect to you guys. You ppl can countine to diss me if you want if thats how you get you kicks. Excuss me for having a dream.
I'm out (http://www.toronto2600.org).
You are a lunatic. You don't even know what you're talking about! You'd have to be a complete idiot to write a complete OS in ASM!
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Well you guys drove away another newb. Good work. I think I understand why we have 2000 something members and about twenty members who actually post regularly.
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Originally posted by Macman: LITERALLY a knucklehead:
Well you guys drove away another newb. Good work. I think I understand why we have 2000 something members and about twenty members who actually post regularly.
Two points for macman, you hit the nail on the head!
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Datacide: Thanx anywayz. I'll try and find support elsewhere where people have big ideas and aren't afriad of climbing out a rut and becoming known. I don't understand why so many people are afriad to try something that can change not only them but the world as well. Everyone wants to stay down and small. I am going to be someone. I am going bigger and higher. No disrespect to you guys. You ppl can countine to diss me if you want if thats how you get you kicks. Excuss me for having a dream.
What benefit would people have from your operating system? I think your forgetting what an operating system does. It has a certain purpose.
Like SmoothWall GPL has the purpose of being a good firewall+router, Red Hat Linux being a good desktop or server and Windows to piss people off and flowing cash to a certain software company because some people are forced to use it.
Think about that before you create your own OS. What purpose does it has? Who will use it? Will it be used at all? Will I be selling it under commercial terms, GPL, LGPL, BSD, or will I freely distribute it in ISO's under the terms of GPL or BSD? Or maybe both selling and ISO dowloads?
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fair enough some of the things said to datacide might have been a little off (personally i don't think there's anything wrong with trying to write a whole OS in asm, except that it would be hard to modify, so you wouldn't get many willing participants) but on the other hand, there is no room on this site for fickle people who will take offence so easily. there has been no real flaming here, and still he has thrown all his toys out of the pram and wrongly told us we are all afraid and all that shit, who cares?
if he's going to be stuck up his own arse then fine, but people have a right to ridicule such stuck up people if they want. this is a free forum for people to say what they like.
personally i didn't mean to diss anybody here and i don't think i have, so if datacide decides that i am amongst the people who are afraid then fine for him, but don't expect me to lose any sleep.
for the record, i don't have the skills to help you datacide, but i support you in your project if you have a good reason for making a new OS. in my opinion wanting to make yourself famous is not a good reason. adding something that is not already there is and as a lot of people already helpfully pointed out (no matter what some people rudely say), this aim could be acheived much better by adding to an existing project in most cases.
making a name for yourself is not going to get my support as a reason for wasting other people's time who might commit their time to your project.
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You want to make a new OS? Fine. Start a project in Sourceforge and perhaps you'll get some attention. That is if you want to keep it open source or "free" (as in freedom) and GPL'd.
If, on the other hand, you'd like to keep it commercial then you'd have to pay the people who'd be working with you.
Personally, I think that you're on the wrong path here. That's just me though. ;)
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First off, it takes months to just write a decent BOOTLOADER. Second of all, if you were to write it in ASM, not only would it be hard to read, hard to modify, etc. code, it would also be limited in single proc for the most part (unless you really hack it up) and platform-dependent.
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i agree with both of those comments and i think that if anybody else wants to come in here and take a pop at some people who are talking SENSE then those people can kindly take their aspirations of fame and FUCK RIGHT OFF.
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flame flame flame !!!! Datacide is LITERALLY a MORON!!!!!!!!!111111111///////
I am an idiot :D
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Perfect Operating System is here www.linuxiso.org (http://www.linuxiso.org)
No need for anything else.
"If it compiles, its good, if it boots, its perfect" -Linus Torvalds
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The Quirk:
You'd have to be a complete idiot to write a complete OS in ASM!
Guess these guys (http://www.v2os.cx/) are idiots then, huh?
ASM programming is just one of the necessary steps in creating an operating system. An "entire" OS in C/C++ will most likely be a piece of shit that's unable to control any of the hardware in your computer.
As far as the so-called hacker who started the thread, I believe he is full of shit. But that's just my opinion. It's great to have goals, but they aren't any good if not based in reality. The suggestions you gave him about developing on current projects would probably be best for him if I thought he actually knew what the hell he was talking about.
He's a poser. Plain and simple.
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Originally posted by ChakanTGM:
Guess these guys (http://www.v2os.cx/) are idiots then, huh?
ASM programming is just one of the necessary steps in creating an operating system. An "entire" OS in C/C++ will most likely be a piece of shit that's unable to control any of the hardware in your computer.
As far as the so-called hacker who started the thread, I believe he is full of shit. But that's just my opinion. It's great to have goals, but they aren't any good if not based in reality. The suggestions you gave him about developing on current projects would probably be best for him if I thought he actually knew what the hell he was talking about.
He's a poser. Plain and simple.
I didn't say you should not use ASM _at all_ when writing an operating system. It should be used on some tasks. BUT, writing a complete operating system in ASM will cause lots of headaches and is un-needed when we have very powerful computers able to pick up for the "slack" C leaves.
Remember when everything was written in ASM, and then people started using C instead? You remember why? Because ASM was a pain in the ass to develop with, was hard to read, and, jesus, it took so long to program using it, I can't belive they didn't make the transition earlier!
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The last thing we need is another operating system. We have Linux, and thats all we need, dont like, change it to how you would.
WHY NOT WRITE AN OPERATING SYSTEM IN COBOL
(hehehehehe)
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Originally posted by X11:
The last thing we need is another operating system. We have Linux, and thats all we need, dont like, change it to how you would.
WHY NOT WRITE AN OPERATING SYSTEM IN COBOL
(hehehehehe)
Fortran is the way to go....
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yeah, but it really does take a shitload of effort to devolop stuff like that. but what getting to me is this argument over asm, you don't write the whole think in asm, you write it out in C and make it portable, then use asm for each platform to give timecritical areas a boost.
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ok, two things,
first of all, yes that's how you should write stuff, but that's cheating if we are talking about writing in asm, if you're an asm purist you think the whole thing should be written in asm, not C, but then in today's world, that is a dated and unhelpful approach in my opinion, which is to say i agree with you.
as for X11's comments about linux being all people need, i think that's disgraceful, and it is identical to the comments microsoft makes about windows. i am involved with Free and Open software for reasons of freedom of speech and freedom of choice as much as (or maybe more than) anything else, and i think it's pretty bad when somebody makes such a closed statement as that, especially with regard to Free software.
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Check out this forum: Click here (http://forum.defcon.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1452).
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Originally posted by Datacide:
Check out this forum: Click here (http://forum.defcon.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1452).
and?
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I'm sorry but datacide would not mean "suicidal data". It would mean "the killing of data".
Will this operating system have animated cursors built in? That's a good feature.
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Ha ha the guy in the link criticized us for being too technical! That's a laugh, considering Datacide was asking for opinions about creating an operating system and a programming language, both of which are some of the most technically demanding tasks in computer science. What jokers.
And we didn't "just want to criticize you," but c'mon! Anyone who talks about creating an OS but confuses Macs with their operating system and talks about using qbasic (which as an interpreter language would be totally useless for creating an OS) deserves to be smacked back into reality, so to speak. Furthermore datacide provided no technical information about how he was going to go about this, which adds to the suspicion that he has no idea what he's talking about.
Not to mention his email address is @msn.com
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Originally posted by Datacide:
Check out this forum: Click here (http://forum.defcon.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1452).
Big man! Defcon! Wow! Bravo!
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Originally posted by Datacide:
Check out this forum: Click here (http://forum.defcon.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1452).
No reason to become provocative Datacide. I agree that some of the posts in this thread were a bit harsh, but all in all I believe that most people made valid points.
I'm just going to repeat what I wrote in my previous post. If you want to start creating an OS from scratch, then you'll need ALL the help you can get. Such an attempt would require huge amounts of energy and resources. So, in order to get help just start a project on SourceForge, that is if you want to keep your project open. ;)
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datacide, you just went down in my estimations. are you so unstable you need to post a thread asking people to tell you you're great and then come back here and try to gloat about it?
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Datacide:
(http://users.bigpond.com/tate0/shit/fuck-you.png)
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Originally posted by X11:
WHY NOT WRITE AN OPERATING SYSTEM IN COBOL
I believe ATM's are COBOL oriented... or at least were in the old days... my dad was saying something about cobol batch processing...
oh and i agree with the script kiddy comment but not the (flagrantly tacky) picture.
this guy is just a code kiddy grabbing technical terms and looking for respect...
sort of like... no I wont say it, at least other people try programming before they talk about writing their own OS mr "datacide."
re macs : yes lets make copy apple-c instead of control-c like every other fucking OS...
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Love that website btw... must be 10 whole years of script kiddie experience all condensed into that one...
go the 2600 club! btw any of them even know anything about wave physics?
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For thoses of you who learned how to click, click here[/URL. (http://www.elitehackers.com/cgi-bin/uub/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=002101#000009)
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crap. Click --> here[/URL. (http://www.elitehackers.com/cgi-bin/uub/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=002101#000009)
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FU<K!!!!! LiNk!!! (http://www.elitehackers.com/cgi-bin/uub/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=002101#000009)
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......*sigh*... you see the picture that looks like a piece of paper with a pencil beside it "editing" the piece of paper?.... well you can click on that to edit your posts.
anyways.... as someone said in that thread... your probly better off trying to take the linux kernal and build off of that basically building your own custom linux. But if your going to do that and want it not to be like any other of the 300 linii then you will probly want to have a certain goal for your system..... like OpenBSD with its main thing being security and smoothwall being a firewall and mandrake being user friendly.
[ April 04, 2003: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]
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HUH...you said you gonna make new OS by mixure of win,linex and mac..do you think you can build exact software out of these thing? are these people mad that they have at least some of the bad things...do you REALLY THINK combination of Ferarri, Lamborghini and Maserati will make best car? haha
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If you wanna do something Datacide, then get the FUCK on with it! Why do you waste so much time, wandering from one forum to the other, telling that people flamed you in this one? :eek:
If you really had planned something, then you would already have started a project on Sourceforge. So, get on with it? What are you waiting for? (http://smile.gif)
PS: Oh, and try to edit your posts next time before, posting the same thing thrice! ;)
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OK. Fine.
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My opinion:
Write an outline. Kinda what refalm said, but I'll take it to the next level here.
1) Think about licensing and open-source, and all of the stuff Refalm said.
2) Open a project with sourceforge
3) Map out a stuctural diagram of your OS. It will be complex, but it should be, because OSes are complex.
4) Decide which language you want to write each piece in. Some parts should be portable (easy to port to other platforms), some parts should be fast. You have to make the distinction as to what should be written in what.
5) Code, compile and test the bootloader.
----DO NOT PROCEED PAST HERE UNTIL EVERYTHING ELSE ABOVE IS DONE----
6) Start coding the core OS, and IO systems.
7) Compile, test, and debug the core OS and IO systems. Get the OS to load from the bootloader This process could take months...
7) Build on it from there. Don't be afraid to include other people's code in there if their license allows it. Why recode what others have already done?
PM Me if you need more help/guidance.
Post updates here too.
[ April 04, 2003: Message edited by: The Muffin Man ]
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No, no, implement the spell checker first. Then the animated cursors.
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Originally posted by flap:
No, no, implement the spell checker first. Then the animated cursors.
But you need something to run the animated cursors and the spell checker on no? A blank screen isn't a great environment for these things...
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No, I'm sorry but you have to develop the spell checker first. It's the most fundamental component of the OS, just before the kernel, the animated cursors and the address book.
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......*sigh*... you see the picture that looks like a piece of paper with a pencil beside it "editing" the piece of paper?.... well you can click on that to edit your posts.
Dont tell him to edit his posts you ungrateful fool! The ability to see the true mastery of HTML that this giant of a man possesses leaves me only to ponder how much more i must learn in such piddly object oriented and compiled languages such as C++ and eiffel before I even begin to approach his skill. It disghusts me how thousands of people world over are led to believe that C* and asm are harder than HTML. I mean back off! If the legend datacide can make mistakes in HTML then it gives hope to me.
Real thoughts : LOL! He cant handle HTML and he thinks he can write his own OS. BTW "datacide" a (supposedly) "trendy" nickname and the ability 70 wR173 L1k3 tH12 do not a good programmer make. Why not post a "1337" program you've previously written so we can all look at it and learn? Oh and copy pasting X11's menu program just because its readily available wont help. If you want to write a new OS then you *will* have written at least 1 program before this yeah? Oh and me and my firends have a bet so can you answer this question - are you closer to 10 years old or 12?
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shout out at [email protected]
Cool I've been meaning to see how much mail I can give one address on an 8 meg connection...
Or possibly see if I can find all the nimda infected files that infest my university halls Debian server and pass them on so to speak.
Hey webmaster next time he posts can you give us his IP real quick before he gets it reassigned? I'd very much like to get info on what OS he is currently running... 8-)
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i thought i had learned how to click but I cant of because when i click on the word "here" it doesnt work... (http://tongue.gif) (http://www.elitehackers.com/cgi-bin/uub/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=002101#000009)
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Originally posted by Datacide:
FU<K!!!!! LiNk!!! (http://www.elitehackers.com/cgi-bin/uub/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=002101#000009)
There is no need for censoring on a site with FUCK in the Domain Name.
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Originally posted by Silent Warrior:
HUH...you said you gonna make new OS by mixure of win,linex and mac..do you think you can build exact software out of these thing? are these people mad that they have at least some of the bad things...do you REALLY THINK combination of Ferarri, Lamborghini and Maserati will make best car? haha
Ferrari own Maserati so a good few of the components will be the same. No relevance to your analogy, just had to say it.
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I think a good analogy for his "OS" would be more of Firestone tires and Ford Explorers (I think that's it...).
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Datacide:
If you want to make a linux distro (which someone in that other thread suggested) talk to (PM) chaosforages. He's making one, and I'm sure he'll give you some pointers.
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(http://l337images.com/images/picture96.jpg)
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Methinks so too... :rolleyes:
Another one bites the dust.
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Originally posted by Datacide:
FU<K!!!!! LiNk!!! (http://www.elitehackers.com/cgi-bin/uub/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=002101#000009)
but the thing is that the people on that thread are giving you the same input that the people in this thread are giving you (third time lucky by the way, did you ever think about working for microsoft? they've been trying to come up with an operating system for 23 years now), the only difference is that the people in this thread post a huge heap of drek half the time and mess the place up. the actual sentiment expressed on the link you posted is just the same as what you are getting here, the only difference is that here you shot your mouth off more because of the word fuck at the top of the page, and people retorted more for the same reason.
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Send this thread to the waste basket dammit!
Datacide, fuck you.
No wait . . .
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
Stop being a dick and wasting everyone's time with this foolishness. You can't program, period. You're living in a dream world where the sky is purple and your father doesn't butt fuck you at night.
Get over it.
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hmm, quality. maybe this is destined for the bin right enough...
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Yep bin it, this thread is a waste of space.
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Bin this waste of time,space effort and all that other stuff we waste using our computer 24/7 (http://tongue.gif)