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Operating Systems => Not Quite Mainstream OSes => Topic started by: Paladin9 on 15 November 2002, 21:57
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Has anyone delt with using windows xp on a novell network? this is a big issue at a my job, which is for a school district.
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Does Netware 3.12 count? Wait, I've never used XP with it. NT4 and Netware 3.12 were my last experiences with it. Guess I'm a little behind on Novell stuff.
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My school uses novell on Win98
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My school is running Novell on an XP box.
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I had to try and integrate some Novell and OS/2 Warp 4 before. It was partially successful, but that was with a version of Novell so old that Novell no longer even offered the upgrade. Sorry can't help out.
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My school runs novell on win 95 98 ME and XP
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My school runs Novell on Windows 98 SE... Novell and WIndows 98 SE both suck ass... Novell is so fucking anoying!
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yeah, my school runs novell, and trys to claim its secure/*then agian, its a windows prob, the mac client is ok*/. any quick info on how to acsess a novell server under *nix
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Actually the new versions of Netware are TCP/IP based and have an Xwindows based setup. There are NDS clients for Linux just as there are for Windows. As far as the older version you could actually get RCONSOLE to work under DOSEMU and administer a Netware server. And of course you can emulate a netware server with NCP and MARS.
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Cool
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My web-admin is too lazy to get Novell on XWindows, please e-mail him:
(...)
And DON'T mention Refalm in the e-mail please ;)
Just recommend XWindows (esspecially Linux, because he already worked with it)
[EDIT]Removed the e-mail address...[/EDIT]
[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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What is "Novell on Xwindows" and "Novell on Windows"? From what I can tell, not one person in this thread actually understands what Novell and NetWare actually is.
Novell is a company (like Microsoft is a company) that sells a file/print server operating system called NetWare (like Windows NT Server is a file/print server operating system). Novell developed NDS (which Microsoft copied and broke and called Active Directory just to try and put Novell out of business).
There are NetWare/NDS clients that you can install on Windows and Linux desktops so they can talk to Novell servers and participate in the directory (NDS).
When I said that the NetWare setup was Xwindows based on the newer versions I was referring to the actual NetWare installation on the server (there is no Windows and no Linux on the server, only NetWare which is it's own operating system). Novell actually owned the UNIX trademark for a short amount of time and I got the impression that they actually ditched their old OS and are using UNIX as a base OS now. But I didn't mess around with the new version enough to know for sure. I think NetWare sucks as much as Windows NT/2K/XP suck to be honest.
[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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i was talking about the client os is windows xp.
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I've never used Netware, although I do hear it sucks...
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Netware/NDS is far superior to NT/2K/AD and Groupware is far superior to Exchange. But all in all, they all suck. Netware/NDS if I had to choose.
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It's called Groupwise, not Groupware... and I can tell, because I use the programme every day at school :)
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What is "Novell on Xwindows" and "Novell on Windows"? From what I can tell, not one person in this thread actually understands what Novell and NetWare actually is.
Novell is a company (like Microsoft is a company) that sells a file/print server operating system called NetWare (like Windows NT Server is a file/print server operating system). Novell developed NDS (which Microsoft copied and broke and called Active Directory just to try and put Novell out of business).
There are NetWare/NDS clients that you can install on Windows and Linux desktops so they can talk to Novell servers and participate in the directory (NDS).
When I said that the NetWare setup was Xwindows based on the newer versions I was referring to the actual NetWare installation on the server (there is no Windows and no Linux on the server, only NetWare which is it's own operating system). Novell actually owned the UNIX trademark for a short amount of time and I got the impression that they actually ditched their old OS and are using UNIX as a base OS now. But I didn't mess around with the new version enough to know for sure. I think NetWare sucks as much as Windows NT/2K/XP suck to be honest.
thank goodness! i was scared to say anything because i thought netware was its own operating system and everybody seemed to be talking about something else!
i just read in a book by R. X. Cringeley (who must be taken with many pinches of salt) that netware was developed from the ground up as a networking OS at a time when DOS was NOT trying to network at all. Also, he says netware could address 16MB of memory (if anybody actually had that much) compared with the 640k that DOS could address. Cringeley says netware took full advantage of the 286 as well, something no other OS tried to do.
I'm surprised to hear (since that's about all i know about netware) that you all think it sucks! also, i'm a little confused about how it works. Is it a server for local area networks, which requires proprietary client software? yes? :confused:
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It's called Groupwise, not Groupware... and I can tell, because I use the programme every day at school :)
[embarrassment]You are absolutely right! I've been talking so much lately about Groupware and "Kroupware" that even though I was thinking Groupwise I typed Groupware, sorry about that. Guess I should think a little harder before *I* type next time. :) [/embarrassment]
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Hell guys, get a pen and write this in the history books. Void Main was wrong. :D
It happens to the best of us....
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i must be great then, it happens to me all the time! :D :D :D
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It's not suprising most people get mixed up (including me) Novell had (have) this unerring tendancy to promote their company name so much that the product name gets lost in the small print.
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thank goodness! i was scared to say anything because i thought netware was its own operating system and everybody seemed to be talking about something else!
i just read in a book by R. X. Cringeley (who must be taken with many pinches of salt) that netware was developed from the ground up as a networking OS at a time when DOS was NOT trying to network at all. Also, he says netware could address 16MB of memory (if anybody actually had that much) compared with the 640k that DOS could address. Cringeley says netware took full advantage of the 286 as well, something no other OS tried to do.
I'm surprised to hear (since that's about all i know about netware) that you all think it sucks! also, i'm a little confused about how it works. Is it a server for local area networks, which requires proprietary client software? yes? :confused:
Alright. I am a NetWare5 CNE and currently working on my CNE6 upgrade. I have been wrenching on Novell products since 2.2 - about 10 years now.
I run a 99.9% Novell based WAN for a school district. For the record from my POV, microsoft is the filth pig whore of our universe and Novell is the absolute pit fighter clawing up and out of the grave that microsoft put so many others in.
Before Novell, I spent 8 years troubleshooting Minicomputer boards running various Nix's. Far as Unix and Linux goes I am a rookie but time permitting am trying to find the time - I think Linux is the correct future. Now you know where I stand:
Novell products and NetWare which accounts for 40+% of all sales is the finest shit available for money for what it does. eDirectory, Novell's fully x.500 compliant ldap Directory is the finest bar none in the world. For such a small company thier technology is unrivaled in the areas of File, Print, Directory and Desktop management (ZenWorks). Except for having a client OS they have everything and more than microsoft.
NetWare is its own OS but boot a Linux box and a NetWare6 box side by side and they look identicle as the modules load even up to xfree86 loading.
Apache is a default option now in NW6 and Tomcat is an option. A web browser and a few small gadgets installed are all it takes to manage and access all resources under NetWare6 and yes Linux and some Unix's and all thier resources are natively controlled when integrated into a single eDirectory tree which has been tested with a billion objects.
microsoft tech and engineers cant do shit on Novell because its not easy. Anyone skilled on any Nix has no reason to complain about any complexity with Novell products. And Novell is kicking microsofts ass little by little turning profits every quarter. Its hush hush but Novell is tight with open source and Linux. Novell is anti-microsoft and therefore friendly.
Its not BSD but it runs like a bulletproof bitch and does require skill to maintain.
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yeah, but our admins are so fucking stupid, they could not admin a macintosh if their life depended on it/'*i do alot of unofficial work*/ like im sitting in my study hall, and one of the audio/videol/media center admin's come in and ask's to "burrow" me. so i walk out and to this class where they can't for the life of them get a tv to work. i merely walk of switch the cable from theoutput to the input, and click on the macintosh's panel and enable tv-out
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i have a laptop that i bought from my school - it runs xp home edition with the novell client (i also have freebsd on it, dont worry :) ) but it is pretty easy to work with.
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yeah, my school runs novell, and trys to claim its secure/*then agian, its a windows prob, the mac client is ok*/. any quick info on how to acsess a novell server under *nix
http://www.novellix.com/ (http://www.novellix.com/)
http://www.caldera.com/products/edesktop/usersguide/appj.html (http://www.caldera.com/products/edesktop/usersguide/appj.html)
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Hell guys, get a pen and write this in the history books. Void Main was wrong. :D
It happens to the best of us....
he has been hanging around us for toooo long!