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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: cymon on 10 March 2006, 00:35

Title: New Linux Box
Post by: cymon on 10 March 2006, 00:35
Well, I've finally received the parts from eBay, and my Linux project is underway.

Specs:
Asus P2B-S Slot 1 Motherboard
Pentium II 350MHz
192 MB's of PC100 SDRAM
ATi Rage Pro graphics, and yes, it does have drivers.
Finally, a 4GB Fujitsu hard drive and a 52X cdrom.

Fear the leetness.
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 10 March 2006, 00:51
Which distro are you planning on installing or are you planning on trying a few?
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: piratePenguin on 10 March 2006, 01:11
What happened to the AMD64s? :p

What kinda case are you gonna use? Or are you not thinking about that yet?
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: Lead Head on 10 March 2006, 01:55
Quote from: cymon
Well, I've finally received the parts from eBay, and my Linux project is underway.

Specs:
Asus P2B-S Slot 1 Motherboard
Pentium II 350MHz
192 MB's of PC100 SDRAM
ATi Rage Pro graphics, and yes, it does have drivers.
Finally, a 4GB Fujitsu hard drive and a 52X cdrom.

Fear the leetness.

:eek:

I did a basic FC4 installation and took around 1.7GB
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: mobrien_12 on 10 March 2006, 03:27
The rage pro is a good Linux card.  

Out of the box it has very good 2D performance, plus excellent XV support.    

There is open source 3D acceleration available for it, but it's not included in any linux distro.  The reason is that it's not secure... apparently every user can read the video data or something like that.  Not really a problem for a single user box, but no linux distro would include it.

To enable it you need to compile a kernel module (easy) recompile X.org, and recompile mesa.  

I built the kernel module, but didn't want to recompile X and mesa because I didn't want to mess up the RPM structure of Fedora.
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: cymon on 11 March 2006, 00:44
It's going to run Debian. I'd like to pick up some SCSI disks, it has nearly every SCSI 2 interface onboard. I am going to put it in a regular ATX case, the one I'm using now has a busted power switch.
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: cymon on 25 March 2006, 00:11
Debian 3.1 Stable is now installed. Running it with XF86 4.3 and XFCE4.
And yes, it rocks. Linux FTW!
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: mobrien_12 on 25 March 2006, 02:30
XF86????

I didn't think anyone still used that since the developer team went nuts.
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: cymon on 25 March 2006, 04:12
Sadly, x.org takes too long to compile. Remember, it's a PII. I had to swap the graphics for a Voodoo 3 since the Rage Pro died on me.

EDIT- I've located xserver-xorg in Debian repo, I'll install later as it's getting late here.
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: mobrien_12 on 25 March 2006, 05:21
You had to compile X?  Surely Debian has precompiled binaries?

The Voodoo 3 is a really good card.   With MESA and GLIDE you get Accelerated OpenGL in DRI with no security issues,  and the V3 has XV support as well.

EDIT- LOL you must have edited while I was typing.  Anyhow... make sure to get Glide3 for the v3.
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: H_TeXMeX_H on 25 March 2006, 06:32
Does Voodoo make really good cards ? I've never gotten the chance to use one ... I hate using the non-free nVidia drivers, (especially since a kernel bug in FC5 prevents non-GPL kernel modules from being installed)
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: cymon on 25 March 2006, 16:02
The voodoo was a series of chipsets, made by 3Dfx, who are now defunct. They're getting old now, but the Voodoo 3 works great in DRI, with Glade and Mesa, like M' OBrian said.
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: Lead Head on 25 March 2006, 16:05
Quote from: cymon
The voodoo was a series of chipsets, made by 3Dfx, who are now defunct. They're getting old now, but the Voodoo 3 works great in DRI, with Glade and Mesa, like M' OBrian said.

yup voodoo got bought up by nVidia around ~2000. I think their last card was the voodoo 5, i think it had something like 4 GPUs on it.
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: H_TeXMeX_H on 25 March 2006, 20:00
Crap ... are there any good cards that are not nVidia or ATI that have HW accel without the need for non-free drivers ?
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 25 March 2006, 20:04
Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H
Does Voodoo make really good cards ? I've never gotten the chance to use one ... I hate using the non-free nVidia drivers, (especially since a kernel bug in FC5 prevents non-GPL kernel modules from being installed)

Some people might actually think this bug is a good thing, I wonder what piratePenguin thinks.
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: Lead Head on 25 March 2006, 20:17
Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H
Crap ... are there any good cards that are not nVidia or ATI that have HW accel without the need for non-free drivers ?

SiS? Trident? XGI?
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: cymon on 25 March 2006, 22:49
He said good cards.
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: solemnwarning on 26 March 2006, 00:16
Quote from: Lead Head
yup voodoo got bought up by nVidia around ~2000. I think their last card was the voodoo 5, i think it had something like 4 GPUs on it.


I have a voodoo 5, its not bad but its crap if you try and run any new games on it, i would say it has 4 GPU's since it has more fans then my nVidia GeForce6 6600GT :D
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: H_TeXMeX_H on 26 March 2006, 04:16
SiS doesn't sound like a "good" card ... XGI looks decent ... most benchmarks (http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1611&page=7) go in favor of nVidia over XGI tho ... nVidia >> ATI >> XGI in most benchmarks ... Trident is  difficult to find ... it probably sux

So ... any "good" cards ? Or is nVidia the only real video card ?
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: piratePenguin on 28 March 2006, 10:16
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
Some people might actually think this bug is a good thing, I wonder what piratePenguin thinks.
I think RMS has been at the Linux code again :p
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: Lead Head on 28 March 2006, 15:57
Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H
SiS doesn't sound like a "good" card ... XGI looks decent ... most benchmarks (http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1611&page=7) go in favor of nVidia over XGI tho ... nVidia >> ATI >> XGI in most benchmarks ... Trident is  difficult to find ... it probably sux

So ... any "good" cards ? Or is nVidia the only real video card ?

XGI probably has the best linux support though.

I also find it odd that they are benching the 5950 with a 9600XT when the 5950 was the 9800XTs competitor.
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: H_TeXMeX_H on 29 March 2006, 00:02
http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/ATI_Buys_XGI_2

:(
Title: Re: New Linux Box
Post by: Orethrius on 29 March 2006, 08:50
Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H
http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/ATI_Buys_XGI_2 (http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/ATI_Buys_XGI_2)

:(
...links to this article (http://www.phoronix.com/?page=news_item&px=MTEz) which shows nothing definitive yet.  Then again, I've yet to verify by ATi Press Release...

EDIT: Indeed, sad, yet true (http://ir.ati.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=105421&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=827595&highlight=). :(  I hope this doesn't impact their decision to make FOSS drivers.