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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: pofnlice on 12 July 2006, 09:44
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yup...just take it!
The Test (http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php?firsttime=true)
took it, said I should Ubuntu or Debian (hmmm). I am running Ubuntu...
We found the following perfect match(es):
(http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/images/ubuntu.png)
Ubuntu
Homepage: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/)
Screenshots: Click to view screenshots of this distribution
Ubuntu is a free, open source operating system that starts with the breadth of Debian and adds regular releases (every six months), a clear focus on the user and usability (it should "Just Work", TM) and a commitment to security updates with 18 months of support for every release. Ubuntu ships with the latest Gnome release as well as a selection of server and desktop software that makes for a comfortable desktop experience off a single installation CD.
(This distribution also has a "Live CD" you can use to test the distribution before you install it)
(http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/images/debian.png)
Debian
Homepage: http://www.debian.org/ (http://www.debian.org/)
Screenshots: Click to view screenshots of this distribution
Debian is a free operating system (OS) for your computer. An operating system is the set of basic programs and utilities that make your computer run. Debian GNU/Linux provides more than a pure OS: it comes with over 15490 packages, precompiled software bundled up in a nice format for easy installation on your machine.
In addition, we found these matches, sorted by how well they match:
Kubuntu
Kubuntu is a user friendly operating system based on KDE, the K Desktop Environment. With a predictable 6 month release cycle and part of the Ubuntu project, Kubuntu is the GNU/Linux distribution for everyone.
Visit Kubuntu at: http://www.kubuntu.org/ (http://www.kubuntu.org/)
Failed these criteria:
# Does not use the desired desktop environment, but has it available
Fedora
The goal of The Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community to build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from open source software. Fedora Core is built to provide choice. It includes the latest versions of many software packages, including both GNOME and KDE desktop environments. Fedora Extras, a repository built entirely by volunteers, provides thousands more packages, and is enabled for use by default.
Visit Fedora at: http://fedora.redhat.com/ (http://fedora.redhat.com/)
Failed these criteria:
# Does not have a text-based installer
Mandriva
Mandriva Linux (formerly known as Mandrake Linux) was created in 1998 with the goal of making Linux easier to use for everyone. Mandriva offers all the power and stability of Linux to both individuals and professional users in an easy-to-use and pleasant environment.
Visit Mandriva at: http://www.mandrivalinux.org/ (http://www.mandrivalinux.org/)
Failed these criteria:
# Does not have a text-based installer
# Does not use the desired desktop environment, but has it available
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I got Gentoo, Slackware, and Arch.
I'm using and loving Ubuntu atm :)
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Gentoo and Slackware here - sounds about right, considering I'm already specing out this laptop for compatibility.
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mines Ubunu 6.0.6 ltx
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My result is Fedora. I have it installed, but recently I've been using others more. The results said something about speed. What? Fedora is faster than Ubuntu, Debian and Mandriva??? Seems the same to me even on this old thing.
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I got fedora, mandriva and openSuSE. I like fedora and openSuSE, but not mandrive so much
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that's a great test! it gave me fedora for first choice, and kubuntu, mandriva, ubuntu and debian as runner ups, which is basically my actual top five of preference. it missed out good old slack though, don't know why that wasn't in the list, since i arguably prefer it over mandrake.
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My result is Fedora. I have it installed, but recently I've been using others more. The results said something about speed. What? Fedora is faster than Ubuntu, Debian and Mandriva??? Seems the same to me even on this old thing.
Well, I now know that speed depends on a lot of things ... least of all your distro. Using a different window manager will increase speed up to 100 fold (fluxbox or XFCE or other light wms). Using initng instead of initrc may also significantly increase boot speed (if you ever figure out how to configure it). Compiling everything from source will also increase speed, but you probably won't notice it much. Like for example compiling a game from source rather than binary saved me about 2-5 FPS ... great ... well not really noticible unless you get very low FPS anyway. Running prelink will really speed things up too. etc. etc. Distro does not mean too much here ... unless it's poorly configured, but even then it has to be really horribly configured to notice a difference in speed.
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My results were: Slackware and Gentoo. I prefer Slack, and that's what I've been running for a couple of years now. Only complaint I have with Slack is that I prefer Enlightenment over either KDE or GNOME, and E isn't included on the Slack CDs.
Of course, it's NBD to install something like Fluxbox, which is included, and go get the E "tarballs" and compile and install it.
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I'm using debian, it gave me debian and kubuntu
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Says Mandriva or OpenSuSE. I'd go with shrink wrapped SuSE if I switched from fedora.
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Gentoo + Slackware
results would be completely different if they asked: do you want it to just work perfectly first time...
I want to install gentoo on my main machine but don't have the time. And vector linux is working so well ... :( no hard drive space...
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vector linux is working well? i really liked the sound of it but could never get it to work for my video card... a shame really, if it's so good, if it were shite (like kmlinux, the worst linux distro ever) then at least i could feel glad i never got to use it.
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Well, I now know that speed depends on a lot of things ... least of all your distro. Using a different window manager will increase speed up to 100 fold (fluxbox or XFCE or other light wms). Using initng instead of initrc may also significantly increase boot speed (if you ever figure out how to configure it). Compiling everything from source will also increase speed, but you probably won't notice it much. Like for example compiling a game from source rather than binary saved me about 2-5 FPS ... great ... well not really noticible unless you get very low FPS anyway. Running prelink will really speed things up too. etc. etc. Distro does not mean too much here ... unless it's poorly configured, but even then it has to be really horribly configured to notice a difference in speed.
I certainly hope that when you are building you are using the appropriate C-flags. Here's my C-flags (for a Pentium 4):
CFLAGS=-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -mmmx -msse -mfpmath=sseIf your programs aren't built to take advantage for things like SSE and MMX, then you aren't really getting your money's worth. Just a friendly reminder that self-building should give you a bit more performance enhancement, if done correctly.
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[OFFTOPIC] Alright, but I usually use -O3, is that ok too ? [/OFFTOPIC]
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Alright, but I usually use -O3, is that ok too ?
O3 is even more extreme optimization[/OFFTOPIC]
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[OFFTOPIC] Alright, but I usually use -O3, is that ok too ? [/OFFTOPIC]
Of course, -O3 is more optimization. Although it's only 3 additional flags, and I have had some builders spit at it. I stick with -O2, just because it's more universal.
http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.1/gcc/Optimize-Options.html#Optimize-Options
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vector linux is working well? i really liked the sound of it but could never get it to work for my video card... a shame really, if it's so good, if it were shite (like kmlinux, the worst linux distro ever) then at least i could feel glad i never got to use it.
oh I mean vector SOHO which is quite a different beast than the original. I have never ever had a problem compiling on vl SOHO and my nvidia cards have worked perfectly with the nvidia drivers.
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I wanted to try Vector, but for some reason, I could never get an uncorrupted ISO from them. Failed the checksum 4 different times!
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[OFFTOPIC] Alright, but I usually use -O3, is that ok too ? [/OFFTOPIC]
Only if you want your programs to take up less disk space/RAM and you don't mind if they may possibly be slower.
Optimization 2 is to have the compiler use all its tricks to make the binary faster.
Optimization 3 is to have the compiler make the compiled binary smaller.
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I have read that O3 often doesn't really accomplish that much over O2. I guess it depends on the code.
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Kubuntu, Mandriva, Ubuntu, and Debian, Yes.
Yellow Dog, no :
Failed these criteria:
Requires partitioning knowledge
Does not have application library
I think the test needs work. Yellow Dog cost money, which is okay by me. But, there was no explicit question about compiling your own programs from source. I don't mind compiling, but not if it costs money to buy the OS. On that count YD is messed up, imho.
Even Windoze, which cost money (if you don't have the skillz to steal a copy) doesn't require you to compile your own apps.
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I got Debian and Ubuntu. :) Used to use Ubuntu until I realized my APU hates it. And will one day install Debian on my old rig.
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I certainly hope that when you are building you are using the appropriate C-flags. Here's my C-flags (for a Pentium 4):
CFLAGS=-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -mmmx -msse -mfpmath=sseIf your programs aren't built to take advantage for things like SSE and MMX, then you aren't really getting your money's worth. Just a friendly reminder that self-building should give you a bit more performance enhancement, if done correctly.
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Doesn't the configure script when present do that auto anyways? Also, I think many times a binary will be linked to use optimizations with whichever hardware is present, when it's present. I'm fairly sure of that. And even after learning how to compile, I still find it to be for the birds. It takes a hell of a long time for large programs, compared to getting it from a repo. Compiling would be nice if everything was offered as nicely as the xfce install package. As far as the frame rates of 3d video, to me those tests don't seem reliable as a performance gauge of any single program version. Because a framerate will also be affected by anything else running in the system. Other than that, it's true that the only noticable difference in performance will be against a very poorly configured setup. So no offense to any here, but that's why Gentoo wackos are funny. And yeah, I know there are now some pre-compiled packages for Gentoo available now, but you used to have to compile everything, and probably still have to do it a lot. Sitting there for what accumulated to a very long time, compiling. All for some imaginary performance boost! :D
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Sitting there for what accumulated to a very long time, compiling. All for some imaginary performance boost! :D
Don't know about others, but I find configuring and installing programs from source to be both intellectually and spiritually satisfying. Perhaps not so much that I want to do it all the time for every little thing, but I think you need to remember that building from source is a great way to learn how things work. Especially if they don't configure right! Everyone ought to experience a pkg-config error at least once - it will teach you more about Linux than any book I've ever seen.
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Of course, -O3 is more optimization. Although it's only 3 additional flags, and I have had some builders spit at it. I stick with -O2, just because it's more universal.
http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.1/gcc/Optimize-Options.html#Optimize-Options (http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.1/gcc/Optimize-Options.html#Optimize-Options)
What about the -mtune= option ?
Would -mtune=pentium4 help any ?
Edit: nope ... looks like it may destablize some programs compiled with this option. Kinda strange but it happen to me a few times.
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Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Mandriva and Kubuntu in that order.
Been using Ubuntu+Automatix for a while now and like it allot. I started to test linux when I joined here, a nice dude on the BBR forums sent me the Mandrake 8 and 9 install CDs back then cause I was on dial up and was asking if anyone had ever used edmunds $1 linux cd store. Mandrake wasn't so bad, just dog ass slow on the P2 I was running it on. The P2 died on me tho, kept killing floppy drives then one day wouldn't come on anymore. It ended life at the hands of a brick, a chisel a hammer and some small incendiaries.
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I don't know how they design that test, but just about everyone gets Ubuntu in their top 5.
I have Mandrake 6 on cd, plus manuals, if you need it, dialup loser...
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lol, I ain't been on dialup in over 2 years now and have amassed over 3/4th Tb of stuff, and thats just on HDD, I have no Idea on opticals with all the CDs and DVDs.
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Quote >> I have Mandrake 6 on cd, plus manuals, if you need it, dialup loser...<
Hey Worker, I resemble that remark. I'm still living on it. I've downloaded 1.14 GB of stuff on dialup with just iGetter alone. It keeps track for me.
Maybe I'll get dsl one day.
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Quote >> I have Mandrake 6 on cd, plus manuals, if you need it, dialup loser...<
Hey Worker, I resemble that remark. I'm still living on it. I've downloaded 1.14 GB of stuff on dialup with just iGetter alone. It keeps track for me.
Maybe I'll get dsl one day.
Wow, they're gonna have to bring bandwidth limits in on dialup :P
Here it's usually ALOT cheaper to get ADSL. Wouldn't it be the same there, or do you get free/extremely cheap dialup?
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Unlimited BellSouth dial-up is $21/month. The speed varies because they are doing fiber upgrades nearby and are rerouting traffic and reseting connections a lot. Around 40kbs is doable.
Real DSL is $45/ month from BellSouth. They offer a few dsl-lite versions, but they aren't much cheaper. I don't watch tv or care to, so a cable or satellite bundle for $70 isn't any cheaper. TV was a vast wasteland when I was young and it hasn't gotten better. :p
I had a conversation with a BellSouth rep as to why I wouldn't get dsl from them, and I told him that their advertising was the reason.
BellSouth and everyone else offering high speed internet here won't disclose the true price in their ads. Either they mention no price at all, or they only list a fake low come-on price (good for 90 days or only valid with an expensive bundle of other services).
BellSouth had what looked like a decent deal a couple of months ago until I got to the second page of fine print on the internet. The fine print said the offer was valid for someone who had dsl wiring installed already and owned a BellSouth compatible modem.
If not, then it 'might' cost $200 dollars to set up (wiring upgrade and a modem). I live in a 40-year-old apartment and don't have a dsl modem that meets their specs. Plus I use a Mac.
Linux would be a lot more doable with dsl. Dialup on a mac with Linux is almost impossible. I actually use VPC and pc versions of Linux and dial out from OS X and give VPC network privileges. Dynebolic is usable that way.
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I see it as the time saved, broadmand opens up allot more to do and see that out there that is just far too time consuming on dialup. What's more valueable to you? Your dollars $5-15 more a month or your time?
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Last time I did that test I got Gentoo, now I got Ubuntu. It seems to fit my new ideals. However I would like to see a much more advanced test.
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In the end I got fucked off with Ubuntu so I installed Mandriva and it's quite good for what it is. I liked the way it came as a live CD and had an easy install feature, the only thing is as my usual complaint with most distros half the software included with ti is out of date. I hope the packaging sysytem is better than Ubuntu's which had this Winwoes-like ability to fuck itself.
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I liked the way it came as a live CD and had an easy install feature
Ubuntu 6.06 does that too ;)
I downloaded the Mandriva One 2007 beta 2 recently and it FUCKING ROCKS. Out of the box compiz support with the free ATi drivers, it doesnt get any better than that.
the only thing is as my usual complaint with most distros half the software included with ti is out of date.
And Windows software isnt? :p
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all that BellSouth stuff.
I live in the same area as you. (Well, at the moment, I live on a college campus away from that, but nonetheless.) DSL is $43, and DSL Lite is $30, I think. It's only 256kbps, but it's worth it. Also, using a Mac won't matter to them since the service is just DHCP or PPPoE, which is trivial. I don't recall my parents having to pay anything for wiring (our house is ~32 years old), and the modem was just part of the monthly fee.
I can't think of any reason to stick with dial-up. And even then...why are you paying $21 a month for it? Certainly you can get it for much less than that. I see $14.95 NetZero commercials all the time.
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If you think about it how many times can they afford time to make and release a new iso for you to burn and make sure it is stable on as many systems as possible. Most distros release new isos every once in a while (like Fedora every 6-12 months). Unless the distro releases them say every 3 years, then it shouldn't be significantly outdated. Besides, sometimes newer versions of software are far more buggy and have many more problems than previous versions (this has happened several times) ... so in this case you may want to wait a bit so the bugs can be sorted out (really only in the case of major bugs ... which are probably the ones you're going to notice)
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wow this test is perfect ;]
mine says :
Mandriva
Kubuntu
Ubuntu
Fedora
in that order ;]
what do you think Mandriva or Ubuntu ?
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Fedora
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Ubuntu and Debian. I'm running Debian Etch now.
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Mine says Gentoo or Slackware.