Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: GenuineAdvantage on 23 August 2006, 11:49
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http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=241254 (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=241254)
In short, it will break your display if you install the bad update. This is going to hurt the distro.
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That guy Pinny Parlour over at those forums sounds like an asshole. Like he's going to give up Ubuntu as soon as he gets his browser working again. Christ, man, it's a bad update. When there's 6 every week, then you start looking at alternatives. A real man would ride it out, and perhaps even view it as a challenge. I guess you don't know how to accomplish anything from the commandline, do you, stud?
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You said stud...TEXAN!
I have to give TSElliot cudos! What a cool and level headed approach! What a great tech/mod he is!
argh.. To late. I saw this updated and absolutely dreaded and hesitated installing it. Xserver-xorg failed on reboot, suprise suprise. Stuff like this makes the ubuntu experience a painful one.
Yes, I am pissed off.
It doesn't work. Can't change because of some customised configuration file blah blah.
Tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg tried vesa, vga, nvidia and nv all die when I get to 24 bits blah blah blah
Why has this broken update been allowed to go live? How ridiculous.
I need to know the exact error otherwise I'm afraid I can't help you
Thank you tseliot.
I'm just that pissed off because of phucking xserver xorg. It is the devil I swear to goodness. It is a bucket of shit. This should NOT be happening and it IS.
Oh why oh why did I click 'update' it this morning????
1. Failed to start xserver .....
2. Couldn't open RGB-RD /usr/share/X11/rgb then a heap of other gibber.
3. Would you like to view the detailed xserver output as well?
4. more gibber
5. The Xserver is now disabled. Restart GDM when it is properly configured.
6. Then it goes to CLI login
7. User of this ubuntu PC REALLY PISSED OFF
Please, restrain yourself from using swear words in this forum.
BTW without the Xserver we would be stuck to the command line
Now that's a professional attitude!
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nothing wrong with using the command line! still, imagine the grief if windows released a patch that broke their GUI, what would you all be saying then, eh? ;-)
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Just use lynx ... that's what I do when X-server fails (which so far it has once due to SELinux problems)
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I never got the update for 10.3, it went straight to .4..interesting...
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Thank the penguins, this is already fixed overnight. It went on for about a day and a half. I'm sure a lot of people have been left with an unusable system though, and don't know how to fix it. But the gloaters have already begun, as you can see. Oh well, there will hopefully be more care by the developers in the future because of this.
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I don't ever remember seeing an xorg update until this morning...starnge indeed!
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That guy Pinny Parlour over at those forums sounds like an asshole. Like he's going to give up Ubuntu as soon as he gets his browser working again. Christ, man, it's a bad update. When there's 6 every week, then you start looking at alternatives. A real man would ride it out, and perhaps even view it as a challenge. I guess you don't know how to accomplish anything from the commandline, do you, stud?
He's an asshole for comments like this:I hate xserver xorg, it's a piece of utter crap.
But that is a BAD update! I know I click the update button as soon as it's available on the notification area, and I bet and I HOPE others do that too. I got the 10.3 update, but I didn't restart X until after the 10.4 update came out (I thought it was odd having two updates so fast).
For the human beings, that update is almost as bad as a MS update that'd break the Windows GUI, if you think about it (it's a much smaller scale (thankfully?), but the same end-user experience). Fixing it in less than a day wasn't so bad though, and neither was the community response (see the original post of http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=242252).
We have launched an investigation and formal quality process review to understand exactly how this happened and what corrective actions to take. We will provide further information from this review when it is available.
I think a 'dapper-testing' repository (not 'edgy') could work well, might propose it somewhere if I find where it'd fit in (which I can't), if I still feel the need.
I been so pissed off with Ubuntu recently anyhow, and w00t my Fedora Core 5 CD3 is burned, time to install that. I think (but really, it's just so I don't wrongly accuse it) I can put the recent technical fuck-ups down to my drive which isn't in a nice state (gonna have to get used to piling on the backups), but I posted this to #ubuntu on freenode not long ago:oh man.. reading stuff like http://www.ubuntu.com/news/opera9 "Opera is a perfect match for Ubuntu" is nearly making me sick.. According to http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/philosophy one of the philosophical ideals of Ubuntu is that (and this is /the main/ reason I installed dapper in the first place) "Every computer user should have the freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, share, change and improve their software for any purpose, without paying licensing fees". Making it easy to install Opera is one thing, but this.. especially when we already have Firefox.. christ.
Guess who'll be starting their own distro one day? Maybe I'll call it 'Doors' (as opposed to 'Windows') like a classmate told me I'd do when I was, like, 11 (she also said I'll become the next Bill Gates with it, but that can wait).
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If you are successfull, you will only owe me a nominal $1,000,000 a year for being your buddy before, during and after you made it to fame and fortune. :D
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i've seen xorg updates, in fact when the red hat apt repos started using Xorg my system ended up pretty hosed.
by the way just having X not work is not "unuseable" as somebody said above, and surely a quick apt-get upgrade will fix it, after the fact, which anybody using a system with apt installed on it should know how to do.
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Well I really don't get why anyone would take the effort to go to a forum to insult a distro they are already using because they received a bad update. If they are posting the message they obviously know what the problem is and have a means to fix. But I do know this will probably scare off some newbies without commitment. Boo! it's console commands. Maybe that's for the best? Well I know some people would love if linux didn't try to become idiot proof.
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A bad update is when you gotta fuck with the config files.
This is among the worst updates I can imagine, for a distro like Ubuntu especially.
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nothing wrong with using the command line! still, imagine the grief if windows released a patch that broke their GUI, what would you all be saying then, eh? ;-)
Considering that it'd effectively kill off all but the most intelligent Windows users, I'd be praising the saints and any deity I could think of (holy binity included). If they can't use the commandline, they'd be forced to use Mac - and those are far too expensive for the truly incompetent to warrant purchase orders. ;)
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I had a similar issue on a new Debian install. Dist-upgraded to Etch, then installed the latest version of XOrg, which failed to start due to some bad fonts.
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What's really great is when you forget to comment out unstable and testing in your repository list and do something fantastic like 'apt-get upgrade.' The next two days you spend fixing everything is just invaluable; I can't think of a better way to spend one's time -- except maybe switching that damn box over to OS X server.
apt-get is just as bad as RPM hell was it seems. Since there are a few packages I need from unstable, I have a few unstable binaries in my Debian installation, which cause other strange things to happen like not allowing me to install Gnome Control Panel except that I update to a new version of hotplug and udev -- versions that seem to hate my iMac. At one point installing OpenOffice meant removing KDE because of dependency issues? Okay, that makes sense (cough). Thankfully that machine's primary purpose is a server, not a desktop -- or I'd be a bit annoyed (I have KDE and Gnome there just to see how Linux is trudging along and to have a little kiosk in my kitchen).
And this is a variant of the same shit I was going through since 1998: get your Linux box running nice and comfortably, but don't update a damn thing or you'll regret it you poor bastard! X is a legacy POS that needs replaced with something else that has the same functionality. Sorry, I don't want to spend 3 hours hacking at my xorg.conf anymore than I want to go back to toying with autoexec.bat files to play some new game I bought. Move on.
Meanwhile I never have these problems in OS X. Sorry for the rant but I was fighting earlier this week with my generally well-behaved Debian box and still haven't got things quite back to how I want them. The last time I had something so frustrating happen was back in 2002 when my Mandrake or Redhat box quit working after a video driver update, at which point I loaded up Partition Magic and just deleted my Linux partitions, vowing to run Windows until I could afford a Mac -- which happened a couple months later. I was real tempted to use the copy of OS X server I have on that iMac and say goodbye to Linux -- but alas, I still believe!
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I can't think of a better way to spend one's time -- except maybe switching that damn box over to OS X server.
Except that would only work for Macs ;)
apt-get is just as bad as RPM hell was it seems.
Yey, I'm not the only person who loathes apt \o
Except I only loathe it after a week of using conary (http://wiki.conary.com/wiki/Main_Page) for package management.
conary thought of everything it seems.. Including what you're talking about. You can specify the repository location when installing a package, and updates to only that package will come from that repository.
And this is a variant of the same shit I was going through since 1998: get your Linux box running nice and comfortably, but don't update a damn thing or you'll regret it you poor bastard!
No, don't update to UNSTABLE releases. With OS X you don't have access to the unstable releases, so count yourself lucky.
Updating with apt is typically a breeze. It's one thing it nearly got right. With OS X, you gotta go to the package's website (ok, for 3rd-party packages), and manually download and install the package. That's what you'll have to do when OpenOffice.org 2.0.4 comes out (it's coming), right (let's pretend you use it)? Poor bastard - that's over 130 megabytes!
(apt doesn't support incremental updates (conary does) - you gotta download the entire package again. For that reason, OOo is split into multiple packages, only some of them will need to be updated. Anyhow, at least there's no going to openoffice.org, you can have it update automatically)
X is a legacy POS that needs replaced with something else that has the same functionality. Sorry, I don't want to spend 3 hours hacking at my xorg.conf anymore than I want to go back to toying with autoexec.bat files to play some new game I bought. Move on.
Xorg sucks, because of xorg.conf? Ubuntu works great with it, without any xorg.conf hacking..
Oh, you chose DEBIAN. Of course you're gonna need to hack it! (besides, doesn't it use xfree86?)
What's the problem with Xorg?
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Sarge uses XF86 by default, XOrg is available in Testing and will probably be the standard in Etch.
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There's actually two types of dependency hell a lack and surplus:
1) The packages have no dependency checking, leaving you to backtrack and figure all of them out. This is the one most people commonly reffer to.
2) The packages have full dependency checking, but the dependencies don't quite make sense as bedouin mentioned. I've had similar things happen too. Or say one of the packages is broken ... you can't remove just the broken package (and say install one yourself from source), you gotta remove all dependencies of the package too, or make your own package, which is often not too easy (especially getting the dependencies right). So using a certain type of package, like RPM, forces you to install nearly everything through RPM or nothing through RPM ... all or none.