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Title: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Giorgi on 28 May 2005, 23:43
Hey guys im in research of a good intivirus with a good interface cos im design freak, :)
And good virus detection of course :P
I have Mcafee ATM, i had Kaspersky before but my key ran out
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: KernelPanic on 29 May 2005, 00:25
http://voidmain.is-a-geek.net/av/
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Giorgi on 29 May 2005, 00:33
first time i hear about it, can u give me some info? For windows btw!: D
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: bedouin on 29 May 2005, 00:52
This mirror (http://www.apple.com/macosx/) was missing from VoidMan's site.

A computer is like any other investment.  If you want to have the best you either have to put the time and effort into customizing it and tweaking it (Linux & other open source alternatives), or just buy a luxury model (Mac).  If you want to drive a 1970s Gremlin (Windows), expect to encounter problems.  Not to mention the ethical dilemma of supporting Microsoft (with funds or not).
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 29 May 2005, 04:09
That's it don't tell him about good Windoze anti-virus as as that'd be offering Winblows support and it'd be against the roolz.

By the way is there any anti-virus software Winbloze that's open-source, surely you're alowed to tell people about that because you're promoting open source otherwise people will just use warez and that's no fucking good at all is it?
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: bedouin on 29 May 2005, 04:53
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
That's it don't tell him about good Windoze anti-virus as as that'd be offering Winblows support and it'd be against the roolz.


Actually, if I did know I'd probably tell him.  As far as I'm concerned there is no 'good' anti-virus, firewall, spyware removal tool, etc, anymore than there is a 'good' prison, or 'good' car accident.  They're things you shouldn't have to worry about; you should just be able to use your machine, free of protective tools consuming 25% of your resources; Linux and OS X offer that.

I don't know of any 'we don't support Windows rule.'  If someone wants to answer a Windows question be my guest, but I'm not going to waste my time when something else will just get corrupted, broken, or infected the next week.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 29 May 2005, 05:08
Quote from: bedouin
Actually, if I did know I'd probably tell him.  As far as I'm concerned there is no 'good' anti-virus, firewall, spyware removal tool, etc, anymore than there is a 'good' prison, or 'good' car accident.  They're things you shouldn't have to worry about; you should just be able to use your machine, free of protective tools consuming 25% of your resources; Linux and OS X offer that.


Only beacuse they're not the most popular, why would anyone bother to write a Linux/Mac OX virus? :rolleyes:

Oh sorry, I forgot Windows uses root access, but not if you're sensible like me and only use a restricted user account under SP2 which has a built in firewall and use FireFox you'll be ok 99.99% of the time. :)


Quote from: bedouin
I don't know of any 'we don't support Windows rule.'  If someone wants to answer a Windows question be my guest, but I'm not going to waste my time when something else will just get corrupted, broken, or infected the next week.


What the fuck, look at the forum rules (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/faq.php?faq=mes_rules#faq_mes_forum_rules) then.

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Do not post troll posts. Troll posts include:
request to fix a specific Microsoft product

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: bedouin on 29 May 2005, 05:18
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
Only beacuse they're not the most popular, why would anyone bother to write a Linux/Mac OX virus? :rolleyes:


If there was a diversified OS market there would be less viruses and trojans because it would be too difficult to target one population.  I'm encouraging that.  The whole "OS X, Linux, BSD" is less popular, so it's not compromised as much argument is weak in the first place, but I'll let someone else attack that.

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What the fuck, look at the forum rules (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/faq.php?faq=mes_rules#faq_mes_forum_rules) then.


There are no rules except, A) no spam, B) no flooding, C) no illegal activity.  Learn it, live it, love it.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: MrX on 29 May 2005, 05:50
the best one is Anti-Vir http://free-av.de it is freeware also.

don't be such a complainer, you 'people'

Mr X
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: skyman8081 on 29 May 2005, 07:22
Quote from: bedouin
There are no rules except, A) no spam, B) no flooding, C) no illegal activity.  Learn it, live it, love it.

 And what, pray tell, do you define those as?

The current rules are just that, within a more rigid definition that fits the forum culture.

"I'll know it if I see it" is a very dangerous definition, because it means that a mod or admin could twist those loosely defined rules to fit whatever they want them to, this makes mod bullying easier, not harder.

I won't love it.

But this discussion deserves its own thread, instead of clogging this one.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 29 May 2005, 11:45
Quote from: bedouin
If there was a diversified OS market there would be less viruses and trojans because it would be too difficult to target one population.  I'm encouraging that.  The whole "OS X, Linux, BSD" is less popular, so it's not compromised as much argument is weak in the first place, but I'll let someone else attack that.


Well I'll attack it myself,
I've heard all the arguments that UNIX (whether it be Linux BSD or OS X) is more/less secure than Windows. The Internet is packed with articles suggesting either case, my personal view is BSD is the most secure operating system around as almost everyone using it knows what their doing. Windows will be the worst as it has the most uneducated userbase, anyone who's made the switch to an alternative will be more educated than the average Windows user. In general security comes down to the user more than anything else.

Quote from: skyman8081

But this discussion deserves its own thread, instead of clogging this one.


I'm sorry for mentioning the forum rules, indeed it should be against the rules to mention the rules unless the thread is about the rules. One very annoying thing about this forum is that the discussion of the rules seems to crop up too often and hijack threads.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Calum on 29 May 2005, 23:32
good job i haven't posted anything here yet, or we'd have to wade through 3 pages of retaliation flames/spam!
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: MrX on 30 May 2005, 00:21
BeOS is the most secure OS ever. :beos:
apart from my searching on goolge newsgroups for beos virus and vulnerabilities and such, there was none except for some 3rd party programs having various 'bugs' that could be vulnerabilities but where pacthed long ago. beos has no virus, no spyware, etc just pure BeOS. i rule.

Mr X
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: skyman8081 on 30 May 2005, 00:30
BeOS also has no users, support or decent applications.  It's only use is to say "I use BeOS".

BeOS is dead, get over it.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: piratePenguin on 30 May 2005, 15:32
Once/if GNU/Hurd is ready it quite probably will be the most secure OS.
Because it tries to do everything perfectly, and that means using the least amount of privileges possible.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 30 May 2005, 16:24
Quote from: skyman8081
BeOS also has no users, support or decent applications.  It's only use is to say "I use BeOS".

BeOS is dead, get over it.

Have you ever used BeOS before?

I haven't but I know these two factors are unrelated to the quality of the operating system, not long ago Linux suffered the same problems.
Quote from: MrX
BeOS is the most secure OS ever. :beos:
apart from my searching on goolge newsgroups for beos virus and vulnerabilities and such, there was none except for some 3rd party programs having various 'bugs' that could be vulnerabilities but where pacthed long ago. beos has no virus, no spyware, etc just pure BeOS.

Who'd ever bother writing a virus for an operating system so few people use?

BeOS could be riddled with exploits for all you and I could know BeOS doesn't have a big enough user base to discover the exploits.


Quote from: MrX
I rule.
That sort of attitude gives people non-mainstream operating system users a bad name. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: adiment on 30 May 2005, 16:28
why not just use mozilla/firefox and stop getting viruses and shit installed? I run windows + firefox and I haven't had spywaree/viruses in a very long time.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 30 May 2005, 16:32
Using a limited user account helps a lot too.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: MrX on 30 May 2005, 18:38
Quote from: e7ement
why not just use mozilla/firefox and stop getting viruses and shit installed? I run windows + firefox and I haven't had spywaree/viruses in a very long time.


firefox has it's share of malware, i'ts creeping in slowly. but surely.


Quote from: skyman8081
BeOS also has no users, support or decent applications. It's only use is to say "I use BeOS".

BeOS is dead, get over it.


we have got lots of little programs. we've got quake I, quake II, and quake III [which ID has locked up in it's labs,and it wont share  :fu: ] it's not that dead. not as dead as windows 3.1 . BeOS is quite useful to me, I use it as my main OS. I even made my banner you see under this.
"I use BeOS" . So there. :beos:
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: adiment on 30 May 2005, 18:44
wow quake3! It was available on Windows and Mac in 1999. Why BeOS though? Why not *nix which is mainstream alongside macos and windows?
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 30 May 2005, 20:18
Quote from: MrX
firefox has it's share of malware, i'ts creeping in slowly. but surely.

This isn't a problem in Linux or Windows XP because you can use limited user accounts to guard against the whole system being infected and a firewall helps too.


Quote from: MrX
we have got lots of little programs. we've got quake I, quake II, and quake III [which ID has locked up in it's labs,and it wont share  :fu: ] it's not that dead. not as dead as windows 3.1 . BeOS is quite useful to me, I use it as my main OS. I even made my banner you see under this.


How about serious software like OpenOffice?

I wouldn't even consider using an operating system that doesn't support a decent office suit.

Quote from: MrX
"I use BeOS" . So there. :beos:


Do you really have to make your posts sound imature with silly childish comments like this? Your post was quite good up to this point.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: piratePenguin on 30 May 2005, 20:36
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
an operating system that doesn't support a decent office suit.
OpenOffice.org desn't support BeOS. NOT the other way around.

Whenever I was in BeOS I believe it had some sort of office suit, I think. It had Abiword anyhow.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 30 May 2005, 20:55
Sorry, but you know what I mean.

AbiWord's just a word processor and quite a good one too, but I need a spreadsheet, drawing package ect. and if BeOS doesn't have these then forget about it.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: bedouin on 30 May 2005, 21:10
You're looking for Gobe Productive (http://www.bebits.com/app/1660).

Some of its developers are at Apple now; most BeOS developers I used to chat with have either moved to OS X or BSD.

Why someone would bother with BeOS nowadays unless they had a specific task that required it is beyond me, especially since Linux has matured quite nicely.  What's keeping you there, fast boot times?  It's kind of irrelevant since I never shut my computer off now (put it to sleep), and OS X wakes up instantly.  If it's the interface someone has probably themed Linux to resemble/act like it.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 30 May 2005, 22:18
bedouin the version you posted hasn't been updated since 2000 and they have some measure of sense as they've moved to Windows/Linux. I couldn't find anything on thier website (http://www.gobe.com/index.html) about BeOS, they have a Linux version but I don't know if it's still maintained, as I can't see why any Linux user would use anything but OpenOffice.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: piratePenguin on 31 May 2005, 00:26
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
Sorry, but you know what I mean.
Indeed I did. I just had to mention it because the "Linux doesn't support (my) X" (where X is any software/hardware) "argument" pisses me off so bad. "Wrong. (Your) X doesn't support GNU/Linux" is my reply (and their reply after that is usually "GNU?").
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Jenda on 31 May 2005, 01:06
Indeed. Here in Fredericton, barely anyone has ever heard of Linux. Of the few, none have a clue about GNU. Read: None save my two converts...
[Edit: And YES, I do try to make them say GNU/Linux]
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: MrX on 31 May 2005, 05:26
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
Do you really have to make your posts sound imature with silly childish comments like this? Your post was quite good up to this point.

yes, I actually do. afterall, you instigated me.

>>Grand Anouncement! <<

beos R5 pro just came in the mail . i ordered it last week. :beos:
here are some songs to pump you up. (from off of the CD !)
bought the CD at www.purplus.com (http://www.purplus.com)

http://beq2.beworld.info/downloads/I_love_BeOS!MP3.zip (http://beq2.beworld.info/downloads/I_love_BeOS%21MP3.zip) [download ME]

and go here to see the new pics http://beq2.beworld.info/pics/?M=D (http://beq2.beworld.info/pics/?M=D) (at the top)
ps- dont use the .bmp if you dont have too.

Mr X

Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: MrX on 31 May 2005, 05:33
Quote from: bedouin
Why someone would bother with BeOS nowadays unless they had a specific task that required it is beyond me, especially since Linux has matured quite nicely.  What's keeping you there, fast boot times?  It's kind of irrelevant since I never shut my computer off now (put it to sleep), and OS X wakes up instantly.  If it's the interface someone has probably themed Linux to resemble/act like it.

specific tasks:
download bittorrent stuff. download and playback multimedia a la VLC.
browse the web with firefox.
email with mozilla suite.
play games.

everything a 16 year old needs and everything he doesnt (like openoffice, and good printing suport)

why alot of people still use win98 is beyond me, after all it came out at 98 and it's so dead and obsolete and i think im soo good with my 'new' OS but ohwell this is getting boring me trying to stick up for BeOS. no more, I hope. this thread is waay of topic.

Mr X
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 31 May 2005, 21:06
Quote from: MrX
yes, I actually do. afterall, you instigated me.

How did I provoke your imature behavior? :rolleyes:

Quote from: MrX
>>Grand Anouncement! <<

beos R5 pro just came in the mail . i ordered it last week. :beos:
here are some songs to pump you up. (from off of the CD !)
bought the CD at www.purplus.com (http://www.purplus.com)

http://beq2.beworld.info/downloads/I_love_BeOS!MP3.zip (http://beq2.beworld.info/downloads/I_love_BeOS%21MP3.zip) [download ME]

and go here to see the new pics http://beq2.beworld.info/pics/?M=D (http://beq2.beworld.info/pics/?M=D) (at the top)
ps- dont use the .bmp if you dont have too.



Good for you, I'm glad you've found a non-Microsoft operating system that suits your needs - something I've yet to achieve. :)

Quote from: MrX
specific tasks:
download bittorrent stuff. download and playback multimedia a la VLC.
browse the web with firefox.
email with mozilla suite.
play games.

everything a 16 year old needs and everything he doesnt (like openoffice, and good printing suport)

When I was 16 I was into programming in Qbasic and I couldn't have done any of my school work without an office suit, I used MS Office 97 back then, please just accept people's needs may be different to yours.

Quote from: MrX
why alot of people still use win98 is beyond me, after all it came out at 98 and it's so dead and obsolete

I personally can't see why people use Windows 98, but I suppose they have their reasons like old hardware for example.

Quote from: MrX
and i think im soo good with my 'new' OS

That's just the sort of attitude that's turned so many people here against you. :mad:

Quote from: MrX
but ohwell this is getting boring me trying to stick up for BeOS. no more,

No, please continue, I'm enjoying the discussion. :)

Quote from: MrX
I hope. this thread is waay of topic.

So we're having a discussion about something else more important, the origional topic was rather shitty anyway, don't you think?

In general I don't have a problem with BeOS, I don't know,  I haven't tried it, it could be very good or it could be shit for all I know.

I've said this before; user base isn't always dependent on the quality of any operating  it's dependent on and industry support. Industry support determines the user base while at the same time is dependent on the user base, if very few people use an operating system, then very few developers will produce software for it and very people will use it because it lacks the software they need, the same is very true with hardware and drivers. This vicious circle is very hard to break, Linux is to some extent a victim of this and its user base exceeds BeOS's by an enormous factor, so BeOS may technically be a perfect operating system but it doesn't mean it's a good choice for most people.

I like your new signiture by the way, it's a lot better than the old bloated one. :)
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: MrX on 1 June 2005, 18:24
that's true.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: JanusChrist on 1 June 2005, 23:33
+1 for AntiVir and I also suggest AVG as both are free. Macaffee and Norton are both system hogs, not worth buying.
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: solemnwarning on 2 June 2005, 04:50
http://www.clamav.net
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: luckyp3616 on 22 June 2005, 18:58
ClamAV is short on defs last time I checked. I love that it runs on Linux, though! :thumbup:
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Lead Head on 23 June 2005, 16:31
Try Avast antivirus, www.avast.com (http://www.avast.com) . They have lots of windoze software and they have 2 linux anti virus but they are for servers, still mite be able to use it
Title: Re: Decent Antivirus
Post by: Annorax on 23 June 2005, 20:35
Quote from: MrX
the best one is Anti-Vir http://free-av.de it is freeware also.

don't be such a complainer, you 'people'

Mr X


I use that. On Win98SE. It works for me.

Quote from: MrX
BeOS is the most secure OS ever. :beos:
apart from my searching on goolge newsgroups for beos virus and vulnerabilities and such, there was none except for some 3rd party programs having various 'bugs' that could be vulnerabilities but where pacthed long ago. beos has no virus, no spyware, etc just pure BeOS. i rule.

Mr X


If it's so secure, and it's the gift from God you make it out to be, then why the hell are you the only person on this whole fucking planet who still uses it?  :confused: