Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: 4.812539702042618e+37 on 2 October 2002, 21:10
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Of all the things ever despised in these forums, the thing that makes most of you go into the biggest rage is whenever anyone mentions Lindows. Why is this? Why the extreme Lindows loathing? Lindows is basically just Linux + Wine, and I've actually heard some of you Microsoft haters praise Wine before. Furthermore, of all the versions of Linux, Lindows XP is the best. So why does it bear most of the hatred?
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because basically its trying to be exactly like windows, which usually translates into "it will suck". By promising windows compatibility ( a stance in which they have now backed off of) they hope to draw in new customers. however any kind of true FULL compatiblity(with windows progs) would have to compromise stability (like XP and ME with older windows programs and some DOs legacy programs) although most wont run anymore (a good thing i guess..). Basically Lindows is just a fool hardy attempt to say "me too!" but it really isnt windows. Lycoris is better than lindows..but thats just my opinion
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Lindows XP User #5225982375: Open source now?
Open source NEVER! Go Licrosoft!
LOL :D
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right. lindows will be or is one of the most unstable and partially finished linux distributions out there and shitloads of morons, oh sorry, newbies are saying things like 'i want to give this linux a try, think i'll BUY lindows.'
Now firstly linux is FREE! you cannot get lindows for free, and secondly, WHEN these kiddies with an attention span of a goldfish hate lindows they will blame it on linux in general and go off back to the mindless monster of Microsoft.
Thus, the lindows 'fleece the public quick' scheme will have done more damage to the free software movement and linux in general than Microsoft ever could have.
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"Lindows XP" what the fuck are you talking about. There is no "Lindows XP". Its fucking Lindows (or Lindows OS). Lindows is insecure because it logs you in as root by default. If this is supposed to be user friendly it should make a user acount for you at install.
It will supposedly go against the GPL, because it isnt open source. WINE is gpl, lindows uses wine, therefore lindows must release the source code of any part of its OS that uses WINE.
And it costs money.
those are my main reasons.
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O.K. being a n00b my voice probably dont count but lets take winbloze and linbloze and put them side by side. Too me what theyre doing is copying winbloze to make a few bucks but that not my problem with that. My problem is why duplicate or imitate when you can do your own thing and possibly be greater. Now if I was @ the local geek store and had 3 os systems to choose from and they being winbloze linbloze and linux, I would have to pick linux for the simple fact is I wouldnt buy a clone of a product but ill buy a distrobution of a product or a subsidiary of a product but not a clone. And to me that's what they are trying to do is clone winbloze
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Originally posted by The Master of Reality / Bob:
"Lindows XP" what the fuck are you talking about. There is no "Lindows XP". Its fucking Lindows (or Lindows OS). Lindows is insecure because it logs you in as root by default. If this is supposed to be user friendly it should make a user acount for you at install.
It will supposedly go against the GPL, because it isnt open source. WINE is gpl, lindows uses wine, therefore lindows must release the source code of any part of its OS that uses WINE.
And it costs money.
those are my main reasons.
I thought wine was BSD-style under that WineX crap, then became lgpl?
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Alright, who's the funny guy doing a spoof on Windows XP Luser? Pretty good impression I must admit. (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
I thought wine was BSD-style under that WineX crap, then became lgpl?
hmmmmmmmm
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Originally posted by void main:
Alright, who's the funny guy doing a spoof on Windows XP Luser? Pretty good impression I must admit. (http://smile.gif)
*puts hand up*
I did it because:- I wanted to see how you guys would react
- I wanted a single thread listing the reasons why Lindows is bad, just like with Windows XP
- it all goes into the MES FAQ
Three birds with one stone!
[ October 02, 2002: Message edited by: * Red Ranger Software * / Blob ]
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I'm not gonna repeat any major points already mentioned but nobody said that Lindows does everything under root! Bastards...
Anything that is Windows for tries to be Windows must suck. Especially when they emulate the price.
CAUTION Really short conspiracy theory!:
M$ made Lindows Inc or whatever to make Lindows to make Linux look bad. And by a number of PR stunts to make it appear that M$ is anti-Linblows, we unsuspectingly defended Lindows, never knowing that it wouldn't be free and truly open-source.
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RRS, are you making a slight swing away from the dark side? I have noticed that your posts seem to be getting better as time goes along. And I see you even have raised your rating a notch. Are you just setting us up for something evil? (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by The_Muffin_Man/B0b:
I'm not gonna repeat any major points already mentioned but nobody said that Lindows does everything under root! Bastards...
Anything that is Windows for tries to be Windows must suck. Especially when they emulate the price.
CAUTION Really short conspiracy theory!:
M$ made Lindows Inc or whatever to make Lindows to make Linux look bad. And by a number of PR stunts to make it appear that M$ is anti-Linblows, we unsuspectingly defended Lindows, never knowing that it wouldn't be free and truly open-source.
read my first post!!! I said it does stuff as root.
and i had that conspiracy, but my version went that it is really a relative of bill gates who is running this. Either to compete against his brother/cousin/etc. or to help his brother/cousin/etc. in making Linux look bad (or if people actually like Lindows, to make more money for him)
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Originally posted by Lindows XP User #5225982375:
Of all the things ever despised in these forums, the thing that makes most of you go into the biggest rage is whenever anyone mentions Lindows. Why is this? Why the extreme Lindows loathing? Lindows is basically just Linux + Wine, and I've actually heard some of you Microsoft haters praise Wine before. Furthermore, of all the versions of Linux, Lindows XP is the best. So why does it bear most of the hatred?
Haw haw haw haw haw haw haw haw haw haw haw haw ... etc.
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Ok as evil as Lindows is, aren't we forgetting a few things?
1)Even under root, Linux would still be alot more secure then wind0ze! Surely Linux has more security optimizations then just simply being non-root by default account.
2)It's still linux, it's not wind0ze, it will likely be at least somewhat more stable then wind0ze. No matter how win wannabe they are.
3)How can Windows compatibility bring down the stability? All compatiblity(suposed)would be through an improved version of Wine/WineX. This may be hardcoded into the distro, but woulden't do anything(besides sit idle) until you actually ran a wind0ze program.
4)What if Lindows trys to be like wind0ze on the outside, but with all the Linux goodness underneath?
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The whole unix security model has "fortress root" at it's center. Abandon that, you have destroyed your last line of defense. Yes, there are other layers, but you have just ashed the center of your security model.
Plus, if you run things as root, a program _can_ crash linux, the whole shooting match, HARD.
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hey, do you think lindows will be able to emulate all the bugs and security holes in windows? maybe that is where they are going with this 'internet wide open as root' thing?
also, i hope they plan to integrate some internet explorer with the "system" since that will help them go a long way towards emulating windows' "functionality"...
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the only thing i havent seen pointed out
Lindows has not released any full versions to the public yet. You can get the stuff they are working on if your an insider (costs money)
or get the stuff they are working on on microtel PCs... because they claim "they have been extenisvly tested and certified"
either way.. they have not released a version of lindows yet that they actually want to sell directly as an OS by itself. because they arent finished enough with it.. for many of the problems stated.
Do i like Lindows? not that much.. right now... its pretty sucky and i dont care if they ever finish.
but i really hate when people bash things just to bash it.
Opinions are like assholes... everyone has one.. and they all smell bad
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Originally posted by kinky:
the only thing i havent seen pointed out
Lindows has not released any full versions to the public yet. You can get the stuff they are working on if your an insider (costs money)
or get the stuff they are working on on microtel PCs... because they claim "they have been extenisvly tested and certified"
either way.. they have not released a version of lindows yet that they actually want to sell directly as an OS by itself. because they arent finished enough with it.. for many of the problems stated.
Do i like Lindows? not that much.. right now... its pretty sucky and i dont care if they ever finish.
but i really hate when people bash things just to bash it.
Opinions are like assholes... everyone has one.. and they all smell bad
i don't understand what you are saying.
You appear to be saying that people should not dis lindows because they have not brought out a finished version yet and therefore their actual product cannot be accurately compared with other 'finished' "systems". is this the case?
if so, may i respond...
firstly, there is no 'finished' version of windows. if there were one, what would be people's incentive to "upgrade"?
secondly, if lindows are not finished making their "system", then why are they CHARGING FOR IT??? that alone is worthy of criticism.
thirdly, lindows was supposed to be finished almost a year ago, if you believed the blurb on their website from the end of 2001. Sounds like BULL SHIT to me.
fourthly, and this is the most important one, as i have repeatedly said before, the politics of this situation is much more relevant than the actual performance issue. Lindows, unlike Microsoft windows, is perceived as a linux distribution. this alone, judging by the number of wannabe-unixheads type windoids around will be VERY damaging. These potentially openminded windoids will use lindows for a few days, decide it's shit, and then they will go back to their 20 year old, much more mature but just as shit, "system", and what's more they will resent paying for "linux" for the rest of their miserable RRIA constrained lives.
And THAT is what's so bad about lindows.
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Does Lindows's price upset people? Hey I support you guys in your anti-Lindows crusdade(and I wonder why the heck you have a problem with MS sueing Lindows if it means Lindows gets a rough time in the end), but remember that Libranet won't allow you to download their 2.7 version for free, you can only download the 2.0 version. Are they suddenly evil and anti-open source? Well that's a bad metaphor, especially since I support your Lindows hatred, im just trying to address the whole anti-capitalism spirt that seems to be directed at Lindows(although they charge way too much for something that is susposed to be half-baked).
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Ok..well... just because they dont openly release it for free, doesn't mean you actually HAVE TO pay.....
maybe the just exceeded their bandwidth and cant afford to host it? :confused:
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Right now Microsoft is the biggest bully on the block. Any lawsuit involving Microsoft, especially one they start I would like nothing more to see Microsoft come out on the losing end.
It's not the price of Lindows, it's the path that they are on. They appear to be following step by step in Microsoft's foot prints. There have been indications of GPL violations and rather than embrace and credit (not pay, but give credit to) the people who wrote 99.99% of their OS they try to hide where that software came from. Lindows just "smells" bad all the way around.
Not to mention the fact that I can't stand the CEO and to me appears to be a Bill Gates wanna-be. In my opinion he's only looking for a way to get rich quick off of the blood and sweat of others. Again, not against the rules but at least give credit where credit is due. Free software programmers don't ask for much as they write software to help other people solve their own problems free of charge, not solely to help some idiot get rich.
I could have it wrong, but that's the way I've seen it up to this point and I've been following them from the beginning.
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umm you do know... the CEO of dildosOS is the former CEO OF mp3.com..... what a dirt bag!!
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Of course I know that. I don't know if they still have it up but Lindows.com always had a portrait of Michael Roberston on the front page. How many companies put their CEOs picture on the front page? He has an ego problem.