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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: XxD on 5 October 2002, 05:43
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you are most roxorus! I just setup mandrake linux... damn it is nice!! and its beatiful, when i boot my comp up it asks me if i want to run mandrake, or NT ( windows2k )...
I really like mandrake, but have a question.
I have 56k AOL...
How do I get a working internet connection going in mandrake? It'd be tight if i could go online with that baby!!!
I cant get an internet connection going on my mandrake, I want to DL more wallpapers =D... anyways.. anyone know howto setup an internet connection for mandrake? I have 56k AOL on windows.... Do I need to pay money to get a connection on linux?
[ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: XxD ]
[ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: XxD ]
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First of all, congratulations on your new Linux box! Now, what kind of modem do you have? If it's a PCI winmodem, then it propably won't work. However you could go to http://www.linmodems.org (http://www.linmodems.org) and see if you can get it to work with open source drivers.
If it's a hardware modem you're talking about, then it's almost certainly supported and it'll work flawlessly. USB modems are also partially supported.
Now if your modem IS supported go to Mandrake control center in KDE or GNOME and set up your connection. I don't know about AOL though (http://smile.gif)
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My modem is called "MODEM BLASTER"
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my modem is an external MODEM BLASTER.... I have no idea who makes iT...
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ok, i figured out, that its made by creative labs.
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The FUll name for it is :
Creative Modem Blaster V.90 DE5625
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Is it a serial modem, PCI or a USB one? Need more info..
Why don't you give google a try? Do a google search for your modem and linux support.
[ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: Panos ]
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I have a 3com network adapter... does that mean anthihng? please help you guys, I really want to get my mandrake online!! BTW , when I go into the internet config thing, it trys to dial my modem, it gets a dial tone, but then just sits there.
then it says MODEM FAILED .. or something
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How do you tell if its PCI?
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hmm the closest modem that creative labs still makes is here here (http://www.americas.creative.com/products/product.asp?product=62&category=7&maincategory=7&nav=spec)
anyways, I THINK Thats mine, its the only V.90 they still make, EXCEPT, that one is internal, mine is external.
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Originally posted by XxD:
How do you tell if its PCI?
Internal modems are usually PCI modems. If it's connected through a PCI slot then it's a PCI modem. It could also be an ISA one. You could also visit Mandrake's site and search their hardware database for supported hardware.
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quote:
Originally posted by XxD:
hmm the closest modem that creative labs still makes is here here (http://www.americas.creative.com/products/product.asp?product=62&category=7&maincategory=7&nav=spec)
anyways, I THINK Thats mine, its the only V.90 they still make, EXCEPT, that one is internal, mine is external.
Serial or USB?
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Does your modem connect to a serial port or a USB port? If you got a dial tone then I would say you have a 100% chance of being able to make it work. But probably a 0% chance of getting connected to AOL, unless of course they have recently released a Linux version of their software.
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is there another way? can i get free internet access? damn =\
well.. I have a shitload of AOL access numbers.. If i were to DIAL one of those.. what would happen?
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my modem connects to the slot with the weird writing like this (1)|O|O|
[ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: XxD ]
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Damn, keeping up with you is like trying to keep up with a rooster in a hen house. I'm not trying to be mean but I would take a couple of deep breaths, try and limit posting to one thread that deals with the same subject. Find the "edit" button to add to a message rather than posting multiple messages in a row, etc.
Again, not trying to be mean, it's just BBS ethics. Also, if at all possible, try and find your answers on Google first before asking here. It may take you a little longer the first couple of times but believe me, you'll be better off in the long run. Thanks for your consideration.
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ok, i loooked on mandrake's website and got this
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/hard-details.php3?F_TYPE=modem&F_ID=409 (http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/hard-details.php3?F_TYPE=modem&F_ID=409)
its a creative labs ext. modem. It says its compatible...
but it doesn't say anything about MY V.90..
EDIT: (http://smile.gif) quote:
You should be able to connect to any ISP that has standard PPP support.
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Ok... well, I think my modem is supported, but how do I connect to an ISP? Im going to go check something out, ill be back in about 20 mins
[ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: XxD ]
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I agree with void main. Pls calm down a bit and try to edit your posts (no offense) (http://smile.gif) . This might after all be your modem in the Mandrake HDB and since you're getting a dial tone then it should work. Try also kppp in KDE to set it up. As I told you I have no clue about AOL so I can't help with that, sorry...
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http://web.archive.org/web/20011024063132/http://www.robnet.f2s.com/linux/aol.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20011024063132/http://www.robnet.f2s.com/linux/aol.htm)
Ever used AOL 2.5 or AOL 3.0? Now's your chance. Heh.
A better idea would be ditching AOL and signing up with a cheap, local ISP. They're usually faster then AOL, and they have a _competent_ tech department. The one I used to use "unofficially" supported Linux (meaning some of the techs would help me, even if they weren't supposed to). These guys, http://mylinuxisp.com/, (http://mylinuxisp.com/,) are mainly Linux. But I dount you live in their area (but you might have Linux-supporting ISPs in your area, it's worth checking out).
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Hey.., im sure it works.. BUT um...
well : I went under Macc and configured my modem, when it asks for what I want the phone and User ID and pass and DOMAIN I PUT
1-760-blahblah ( this is an AOL access number )
then for user and pass, I put my aol account and password..
for domain i jsut put AOL
i clicked connect, IT ACTUALLY DIALED! Im like HELL YES!!!
i looked at my external modem after it had started dialing.
the little red dots on the front ( which indicate its connected ) all lit up!!!
then, to my dismay, even tho my modem WAS CONNECTED TO SOMETHING! i looked at the little status tab and it said : FAILED TO CONNECT .. or something
do you think that putting an aOl access number and aol account / pass and AOL for domain will work? or something like that? I just want to get on the internet wif linux is all.....
was i correct in putting AOL for domain?? I doubt it...
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You will not be able to connect to AOL using ppp only. They use a proprietary authentication protocol and it requires the proprietary AOL client. If you get with a local ISP you should have NO trouble.
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I think AOL uses their own standard called "Oscar" and Linux doesn't support it (neither to does Windows - only the AOL client does).
Edit: Didn't see Void Main's reply. He basiclly said the same thing =\
[ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: TheQuirk ]
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I CANT SWITCH ISPS... I must remain with AOL... if i cancel aol and get another, i wont be able to get online with windows.
If i get another, which i cant, thats just more money im losing.. ( my parents losing ) and they'll never pay for it!
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Btw, what is appache?
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HEY... will PENGAOL work?!?!
http://www.pengaol.ipfrance.net/eng/about.php (http://www.pengaol.ipfrance.net/eng/about.php)
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Erm, if you got a new ISP, Linux _and_ Windows would be able to connect to the internet on the same account...
And yes, Peng should work. But the only way to find out is actually try. Download this on your windows partion and then mount it (because you don't have internte connection in Linux right now).
Apache is webserver software, more at www.apache.org. (http://www.apache.org.)
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quote:
Originally posted by XxD:
I CANT SWITCH ISPS... I must remain with AOL... if i cancel aol and get another, i wont be able to get online with windows.
If i get another, which i cant, thats just more money im losing.. ( my parents losing ) and they'll never pay for it!
You pay AOL every month right now. Stop paying them and pay a good local ISP instead. You will probably find it much cheaper.
I have been on the internet for 7 years, BBS's for 5 years before that and I have never used AOL under windows or linux. You can use Internet Explorer or better yet Netscape, Mozilla or Opera as your winodws browser instead of AOL's default browser.
You can get access for as little as about $10 a month. Search google. You can find nation/world wide ISP's such as netzero which offer local access numbers. Or you can look in your local phone book and call all the ISP's (Internet Service Providers). Do some price checking and show your parents how you can save them money by using something other than AOL.
Where I live I can only connect at 28,800 due to ancient phone lines. I have a friend who lives in an area with up to date phone lines and he uses AOL. You can see that his speed is actually slower than mine and he connects at around 46,000. That is mostly because of the mass usage of AOL. People who don't know any better use it (at least until they wise up).
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Originally posted by Centurian:
You can get access for as little as about $10 a month. Search google. You can find nation/world wide ISP's such as netzero which offer local access numbers. Or you can look in your local phone book and call all the ISP's (Internet Service Providers). Do some price checking and show your parents how you can save them money by using something other than AOL.
I actually tried out NetZero when they first started up (and were free) but at that time they required a Windows client so you could be pushed all the advertisements. If you pay them the 10 bucks a month do they require the Windows client or will they allow a standard Linux compatible PPP connection?
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I know someone who uses netzero and he uses both linux and windows. (He is my wife cousin and I turned him on to linux.) He may have a specific setup I don't know but the last I heard he was still using netzero. That was about 6 months ago though so you may want to check and make sure before you decide on them.
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I just went to their site and checked. They don't support linux. Here is the LINK. (http://www.netzero.net/support/start/requirements.html)
Ok I guess I was wrong must have been some other one then.
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Ok... im gonna try PENGAol.... I dont understand it really...
How do I mount it? cant i just burn the peng files ( theyre all .linux extensions not windows files ) then insert it in my linux OS and then install PENG??
Can someone explain?
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Most of us probably can't explain because most of us don't use AOL. Did it come with any directions? Could you post a link to where you got it?
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i dunno, its directions are.... well... hard to understand
http://www.pengaol.ipfrance.net/eng/index.php (http://www.pengaol.ipfrance.net/eng/index.php)
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What version of Mandrake are you using? It actually looks like it must work. Did you see this:
http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=2314 (http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=2314)
I downloaded and extracted the archive mentioned in the above article and the "How-to-install-En" instructions look pretty straight forward. It actually looks pretty simple, but I'm not energetic enough to hook up a modem and find a local AOL number to test it (don't have an account anyhow). Maybe another Mandrake user here can try it out and help you if you need help with the instructions...
[ October 05, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Download this file:
http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pengaol/pengaol-0.96-1.i586.rpm (http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pengaol/pengaol-0.96-1.i586.rpm) onto windows.
Then reboot into linux. create a directory -
$ mkdir /mnt/win2k
Then mount your win2k (or any other windows) partion on it.
$ mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win2k
Let me explain -- hda1 means device on IDE channel 0 (the first one), master device (hence the "a"), partion 1. If you have windows on your main HD on the first partion, type the above it. If it's on the, lets say, third partion, type in:
$ mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/win2k
When you do that, type in "su", press enter, and it will ask you for your root password type it in, press enter.
Then do
$ cd /mnt/win2k
and you'll see all of your files in Windows. go to the directory you saved the .rpm file to using the "cd directory-name-goes-here" command (if you need to go to a diretory with spaces in it's name, use quotes).
When you finally get there, type in:
$ rpm -ivh pengaol-0.96-1.i586.rpm
There! You're done! You probably run it by typing in "pengaol" in the command prompt.
P.S
Sorry for any mistakes. I have a heacache, I want to sleep, and I ran into troubles with my webhost (now resolved).
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Your modem is a real, external, serial modem. That is the _best_ you can get for Linux! If you have only one serial port (the "funny port that looks like |0|0|"), your modem will be accessed by /dev/ttyS0
AOL has a beta product out for linux to allow you connect. You can try it out.
There is also an opensource beta program you can try called "Peng for AOL".
http://www.pengaol.apinc.org/eng/about.php (http://www.pengaol.apinc.org/eng/about.php)
I havn't tried either of them (don't use AOL) so let us know how they work, ok?
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where can i get the direct link to this
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AOL has a beta product out for linux to allow you connect. You can try it out.
?
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will linux recognize a .txt document?
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quote:
Originally posted by XxD:
will linux recognize a .txt document?
Nope, that's one format those l33t Linux hackers haven't figured out how to crack yet. (http://smile.gif)
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quote:
Originally posted by void main:
Nope, that's one format those l33t Linux hackers haven't figured out how to crack yet. (http://smile.gif)
He He He! :D
Just can't help yerself can you.
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hrmz... im having troubles installing PENG.... first of all, i cant even access a .trz file... i cant open it, second, when I went to the terminal ( under root ) when i did mkdir /mnt/win2k it created it, then i did mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win2k it said something like win2k is busy, then it said, that hda1 is already mounted in this other folder "NT" so i go into NT... and it has all my fucking files from my other hard drive..... but i mean, it WAS my other h/d, whats odd tho is..... i mean, i could access files on my h/d i had put security on! and i could access it thru mandrake... with no trouble.
I just dont understand howto do this peng install..... and, i copied what that dude said and made a txt file, put it on a floppy, and read it step by step.... i dont understand....
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heres two conversations between me and the root terminal =\
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Password :( I took this out)
[root@localhost admin]# mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win2k
mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/win2k busy
mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is mounted on /mnt/nt
[root@localhost admin]# cd /mnt/nt
[root@localhost nt]# cd "Documents And Settings/Administrator/Desktop
> rpm -ivh pengaol-0.96-1.i586.rpm
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,,, and then nothing... heres another try
[root@localhost admin]# mkdir /mnt/win2k
mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/win2k': File exists
[root@localhost admin]# i just deleted it...
bash: i: command not found
[root@localhost admin]# mkdir /mnt/win2k
mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/win2k': File exists
[root@localhost admin]# OK... now i REALLY deleted it..
bash: OK...: command not found
[root@localhost admin]# mkdir /mnt/win2k
mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/win2k': File exists
[root@localhost admin]# wtf?
bash: wtf?: command not found
[root@localhost admin]# it seems.. when ever i delete it.. it remakes itself.... clever!
bash: it: command not found
[root@localhost admin]# moving on...
bash: moving: command not found
[root@localhost admin]# mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win2k
mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/win2k busy
mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is mounted on /mnt/nt
[root@localhost admin]# so what... mount it on win2k....
bash: so: command not found
[root@localhost admin]# anyways
bash: anyways: command not found
[root@localhost admin]# cd /mnt/nt
[root@localhost nt]# cd /mnt/nt/"Documents and Settings/Administrator/Desktop/rpm -ivh pengaol-0.96-1.i586.rmp
> pengaol
> wtf
> hello?
> help
> UBITCH
sorry for being obsene at the end... i was pissed =]
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quote:
Originally posted by XxD:
heres two conversations between me and the root terminal =\
sorry for being obsene at the end... i was pissed =]
You can't mount the same partion on two mount points (http://smile.gif)
to unmount it, do
$ umount /mnt/nt
then you can mount it on win2k, so..
$ mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win2k
And about your little "this folder won't delete" complaint, you have to use a -r option. So if you want to delete /mnt/win2k and just use /mnt/nt (it really shouldn't matter) do...
$ umount /mnt/win2k
(or else you'll delete windows)
$ rm -r /mnt/win2k
Now, as for this happening:
[root@localhost nt]# cd "Documents And Settings/Administrator/Desktop
> rpm -ivh pengaol-0.96-1.i586.rpm
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it was because you didn't close the quotation and because rpm -ivh [pengol-name-here].rpm is not a file, but a command.
Correctly, it should be:
$ cd "Documents And Settings/Administrator/Desktop"
Then you should move the file to your Linux partion (just in case something happens and you need ro reinstall). And you misspelled ".rpm"
So you do
$ mv pengaol-0.96-1.i586.rpm /root
Then you go to /root
$ cd /root
And then, finally...
$ rpm -ivh pengaol-0.96-1.i586.rpm
Now try running it...
$ pengaol
[ October 05, 2002: Message edited by: TheQuirk ]
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I almost forgot..
Whenever this happens:
$ something-that-you-did-wrong
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And you want to stop it, simply press Ctrl+c
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k, let me go try that.
also, ive been noticing somethingGAY with windows ever since i installed mandrake.
When I boot windows it asks to check disk D(mandrake) for CONSITENCY. i hit no, and when windows boots up. It takes a FUCK LOAD of a long time to get the Log-on screen loaded ( win2k )
when windows loads when ever i try an open a program, it takes FOREVER to open, or doesn't open at all..
when i click my computer, it says 0 OBJECTS. so i gotta wait like 10 minutes, before it shows all my stuff...
seems like microsoft doesnt like linux!!! them cock suckers~~~
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alright, this is good. i did what u said, and loaded pengaol.
now in the terminal when i type pengaol it does this :
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[admin@localhost admin]$ su
Password:
[root@localhost admin]pengaol
Load Language : en
serveur en attente!
english
btw, i did whatu said, so it got pengaol loaded on my system i guess.. cuz now
when i do pengaol it asks Loag Language... I keep telling it english!! but you
might need to have it : ENGLISH in french..=\
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bump
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$ pengaol - AddUser yourlogin yourpassword
Then, to start the connection:
$ pengaol - Connect yourlogin
Did you bother to read the documentation?
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nope...
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i did Pengaol - adduser (name) (pass)
and it still asked
Load Language : en
serveur en attente!
and then i did Pengaol - Connect (name)
and...
Load Language : en
serveur en attente!
popped up again...
I think i need to tell it what language i want..?
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hey... i downloaded the graphical interface.. how do i install it?
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http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAOL.html (http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAOL.html)
You're supposed to read the documentation and search google.com before asking quesitons!!!
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hey, i found a site...
http://lea-linux.org/reseau/pengaol.php3 (http://lea-linux.org/reseau/pengaol.php3)
but i cant speak "france"
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ok, quirk, i looked at that site.... should i put .trz and qtylink files on my linux drive? ( download them on windows, then put them on my linux desktop?)
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http://www.apple.com (http://www.apple.com)
AOL runs on Mac OS X.
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He doesn't have Mac OS.
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Originally posted by XxD:
ok, quirk, i looked at that site.... should i put .trz and qtylink files on my linux drive? ( download them on windows, then put them on my linux desktop?)
Yes! How else are you going to do it?
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this is too complicated .... i give up.
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Originally posted by XxD:
this is too complicated .... i give up.
Don't give up XxD. It's a bit of work, but stick to it and it will all be worth it. Guaranteed!
Somebody get this kid some water! And for god sake give him a clear newbie anser! :D
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it's hard to help someone who doesn't help themselves.
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quote:
Originally posted by XxD:
I CANT SWITCH ISPS... I must remain with AOL... if i cancel aol and get another, i wont be able to get online with windows.
If i get another, which i cant, thats just more money im losing.. ( my parents losing ) and they'll never pay for it!
can't get onliqne with windows? this is ridiculous. sounds like pure stubbournness to me, why exactly would you be the world's first person who cannot get online in windows without using AOL?
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ARGH GOD DAMNIT... you fucking dont understand.
But if your going to be an ass, i might as well leave.
I wont though.
I mean, I've asked my parents to switch, they wont.
All my friends / important people i know use AOL.
My parents are newbs, they dont understaNd..
So dont get all fucking smart ass with me. I cant change........ and I'd much rather be online with windows, so i can play battle.net...
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Ahh, but I think we completely understand. Move out of the house. (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by XxD:
ARGH GOD DAMNIT... you fucking dont understand.
But if your going to be an ass, i might as well leave.
I wont though.
I mean, I've asked my parents to switch, they wont.
All my friends / important people i know use AOL.
My parents are newbs, they dont understaNd..
So dont get all fucking smart ass with me. I cant change........ and I'd much rather be online with windows, so i can play battle.net...
sounds like you are a stupid worthless little fuck.
i asked a legitimate question and instead of A N S W E R I N G you just threw a little temper tantrum.
W H Y oh W H Y can you not go online withou AOL? 'all my friends do it'. I think you maybe had better leave, whiner.
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IF you switched ISPs, you'd pay less, get faster performance, tech support that cares, too.
And you could use that account in LINUX OR WINDOWS! You just "dial-out" into your ISPs (I'm 100% sure has that feature built in) and you could play battle.net without 6r (battle.net term) lag! And when you reboot, you could use that same account in Linux. Get it? Now follow my directions to download the tar.gz, then read the tutorial I sent you, and you should be able to use AOL until you switch to a decent ISP! ok?
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Regarding your "Slow Windows Loading", when you installed linux, did you install it in unpartitioned space, or did you install it over a previous FAT/NTFS partition? If you did the latter, the reason why shit is taking so long to load is that you changed the partition table and Window$ is taking a long time to figure out where the NTFS/FAT partition went. It is something in the registry, and I don't know how to fix it. Don't feel bad...I did the same thing the first time I installed Debian.
YOu might have to do some rearranging and some reinstalling. Go to google and read up on partitioning, or maybe Calum can post his diagram.
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i have 2 drives, on drive 2 i had a NTFS file system, so i deleted the partiton and installed it on that .